Tom Cleverley

Shibbywiggles · June 4, 2015

I really hope this thread turns into the absolute vaulting gold that the McCarthy thread was. The lad has a lot of potential from what I've seen but until you watch a player week in week out its hard to know for sure.

Brendan Janus · June 4, 2015

He (Cleverley) reckons in Spain he would be loved, he should have gone there then !!

Carlito · June 4, 2015

He played well at Goodison once, back on his Wigan days. I thought he'd go on to have a very decent career.

Martinez will only encourage the sort of conservatism that has turned him into a nothing player in recent years. I think this is a poor move for both him and Everton.

Chang Elephant · June 4, 2015

Eric Djemba-Djemba said:
Hopefully we can crush his confidence within a month

This lad will be world class after 12 months of Bobby's tutelage.

#standonmeknob

Christiffa25 · June 4, 2015

toffeeblue9 said:
Technical player with a good engine.

Given the fact he has proven he can contribute in spells at Wigan under RM, periods under Ferguson and under Sherwood this season, £50k per week for a 25 year old with 13 caps for England and over 75 games for Man Utd seems perfectly good value, especially given the fact he'll cost us no transfer fee.

Without Pienaar and Osman, we looked horribly devoid of a bit of craft at times last season, so whilst I don't think Cleverley will ever shoot the lights out, I can see him contributing in a number of positions across midfield in a similar way to how Osman has for us (which I still think has been criminally under-appreciated by our fanbase for the last decade).

That is a fantastic post Sir!!

Huyton Layne · June 4, 2015

Carlito said:
He played well at Goodison once, back on his Wigan days. I thought he'd go on to have a very decent career.

Martinez will only encourage the sort of conservatism that has turned him into a nothing player in recent years. I think this is a poor move for both him and Everton.

I used that as my Kone hope but it just turns out we played turd that day

mightymoyes · June 4, 2015

Brendan Janus said:
He (Cleverley) reckons in Spain he would be loved, he should have gone there then !!

he said that cos he thinks they love boring sideways passing in spain.

EFCPaul · June 4, 2015

I will give him a fresh chance and still believe that Martinez can help turn him into a very good player. For all the criticism me and many others have thrown at Martinez over the last few months, one thing I won't dispute about him is that he is good at raising the confidence of under-performing players (as long as he plays them in their proper positions).

Remember Naismith under Moyes? He was the pariah of Goodison Park, fans everywhere fumed whenever he got on the pitch. Martinez got him to relax and just be himself and the improvement we've seen has been immense. Even on his bad days in the season just gone, Naisy was still no way near as bad as he was during that first year. Hopefully the same can happen with Cleverley.

The only thing I worry about is what position will he play? Every Villa fan says the same, under Lambert he played deep (like Barry) and was utterly gash. Under Sherwood he was allowed to roam (like McCarthy) and his performances drastically improved. Will we alternate between pairings of McCarthy/Barry and Cleverley/Besic?

ilikecheese · June 4, 2015

Lallana is 27 has 13 senior caps and cost 25 million.

bluemangroup · June 4, 2015

Eric Djemba-Djemba said:
He'll probably end up playing both of them. Martinez would still put Barry on the team sheet if he was in a coma.

Would you notice the difference? Barry would still kick someone late in the shins and get booked in a vegetative state. It's like a reflex he has.

Goat · June 4, 2015

ilikecheese said:
Lallana is 27 has 13 senior caps and cost 25 million.

Caps for England are not what they used to be.

bluemangroup · June 4, 2015

MoutsGoat said:
Caps for England are not what they used to be.

Using Liverpool economics to justify a transfer doesn't seem particularly sensible either.

Goat · June 4, 2015

Again I will state im just worried that we now have a squad full of decent hard working players with VERY little creativity.

Woolly Blue · June 4, 2015

chicoazul said:
Considering some of you are so sure he isn't good enough for Everton, can we do a deal that if he turns out as a valuable player that you'll voluntarily leave the forum as a goodwill gesture?

People want us to sign players who are seen to be top class who will power us effortlessly into a Champions League spot.

Unfortunately someone's nicked the change from the back of the couch and we're actually in a position where we're a step down from that. Cleverly's probably good enough to give us a better chance of getting a Europa League spot. I'm happy with that, well, for the moment anyway.

Goat · June 4, 2015

Woolly Blue said:
People want us to sign players who are seen to be top class who will power us effortlessly into a Champions League spot.

Unfortunately someone's nicked the change from the back of the couch and we're actually in a position where we're a step down from that. Cleverly's probably good enough to give us a better chance of getting a Europa League spot. I'm happy with that, well, for the moment anyway.

Hes not an improvement on anybody within the squad.