Tom Cleverley

RFUS · September 21, 2016

Woolly Blue said:
I don't disagree, but do you think he'll be happy to just be in the squad and get the odd game in cup matches or when injuries hit the first choice players ?

Under Martinez, if fit, he was pretty much guaranteed a place, under Koeman, he'll be on the bench. He came here for first team football so I can't see him sticking around if he's not getting it.

That's another issue altogether I think. I'm merely saying he doesn't deserve to be scapegoated. If he moves on I won't cry like.

Mikey_Fitzgerald · September 21, 2016

orly said:
As anyone who has a basic understanding of football could see last night.

You're wrong mate

Have a lovely day

Pienaar's gloves · September 21, 2016

Just not sure what he offers at all. Doesn't really fit in that well.

Would take £3M for him no questions asked!

AdamEFC · September 21, 2016

Pienaar's gloves said:
Just not sure what he offers at all. Doesn't really fit in that well.

Would take £3M for him no questions asked!

Easily get more than £3m for him. I reckon more around £8m-£10m.

MikeH72 · September 21, 2016

Getting praised for completing 5 yard sideways passes, that's exactly why players like him still play for Everton. We could have just kept Rodwell on to do that couldn't we? We have such a small time mentality and mediocre standards.

Mikey_Fitzgerald · September 21, 2016

Woolly Blue said:
I don't disagree, but do you think he'll be happy to just be in the squad and get the odd game in cup matches or when injuries hit the first choice players ?

Under Martinez, if fit, he was pretty much guaranteed a place, under Koeman, he'll be on the bench. He came here for first team football so I can't see him sticking around if he's not getting it.

RFUS said:
That's another issue altogether I think. I'm merely saying he doesn't deserve to be scapegoated. If he moves on I won't cry like.

Again, I agree with RFUS and is lovely hat

If Clev leaves then I won't be sad, but I equally wouldn't be sad to see him stay as a squad player

It's up to him to choose what he wants from his career. We can plug Davies in just fine if Clev left tomorrow

I'm just sticking up for a player who doesn't deserve the level of pure raw hatred he receives from a bunch of people who should know better

Mikey_Fitzgerald · September 21, 2016

mikeh72 said:
Getting praised for completing 5 yard sideways passes, that's exactly why players like him still play for Everton. We could have just kept Rodwell on to do that couldn't we? We have such a small time mentality and mediocre standards.

He passed it forward plenty of times last night mate

They were good passes too

Sy- · September 21, 2016

orly said:
Except he didn't.

As anyone who has a basic understanding of football could see last night. Cracking non-tackle for the second goal, too.

I have a thorough understanding of football, from a practical and observational point of view and Cleverley is a tidy and useful footballer whom I'd currently prefer to play along-side than a Barkley or a Deulofeu, hell these two can't even be bothered to get into the general vicinity to not make a tackle.

Watch the goal again mate, he's been legitimately done by the momentum of a player marauding through our penalty area (which can happen to anyone), any further attempt to make a tackle is going to 100% result in a dive.

Roger Milla · September 21, 2016

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
Yes mate

Clev has shown he's good enough to play

The only way he'll slow down Davies will be if Davies isn't of a same level or better

At the moment, Clev is deservedly ahead of him in the pecking order

Clevely is good for nothing, at the same time he's not [Poor language removed] at anything. A non entity and a waste of time.

MikeH72 · September 21, 2016

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
He passed it forward plenty of times last night mate

They were good passes too

I must have missed all of them then.

DualityNSNO · September 21, 2016

mikeh72 said:
I must have missed all of them then.

Nah he did play 2 very good through balls (1 to Del, who took ages to shoot, and 1 more to Coleman), but was pretty bog standard before and after that.

Mikey_Fitzgerald · September 21, 2016

mikeh72 said:
I must have missed all of them then.

That would indeed appear to be so my good friend

Maybe if you weren't watching the match whilst also engaged in an exciting game of Busy, Busy, Bumblebees with BBB Hungarian Champion Fenson Bumbaska, you might have been able to notice Clevs Crisp Passing Abilities™

Mikey_Fitzgerald · September 21, 2016

Roger Milla said:
Clevely is good for nothing, at the same time he's not [Poor language removed] at anything. A sqaud player.

Corrected that for you Roger

It understandably must be hard typing coherently whilst also gyrating in front of a corner flag

I forgive you

orly · September 21, 2016

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
You're wrong mate

Have a lovely day

You too chap

MartyMcFly · September 21, 2016

mikeh72 said:
Getting praised for completing 5 yard sideways passes, that's exactly why players like him still play for Everton. We could have just kept Rodwell on to do that couldn't we? We have such a small time mentality and mediocre standards.

When he played for England and Utd the big complaints were he was a crab footballer who neither tackled or created so what exactly does he do.

I hate to say it but that pretty much sums him up. He's not awful just a totally meh footballer.