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Tom Cleverley

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mccarthy is most definitely not a "destructive player" hes not physically dominating, hes been inconsistent this season so far and the entire of last season.
cleverley has never played as a box to box midfielder, i rate him as a player and hes a good signing but alls i said was theres no way we're going to get anywhere with him, barry and mccarthy all playing.
you talk about a mirallas/del love-in, maybe thats because we look at opposing teams like city, arsenal, chelsea etc.. none of these teams play two holding midfielders and a centre midfielder on the left.
yes del was brilliant against reading and west brom and had a poor 60 minutes in the derby. lets drop him straight away and then also ignore the talents of mirallas so we can play naismith out of position ay

It's not ignoring the talents of Mirallas, though, as he's been injured, then suspended.

As for McCarthy, yes so far he's been poor by his standards this term. But to say he was inconsistent last year? He was by far and away one of our better players. Granted, many underperformed, but the gulf in our side when he isn't playing is huge. Who would you class as a 'destructive' player if not him?

I'm not saying Del should have been dropped, but I can understand why, against Utd, Martinez decided to start Lennon, and Naismith, for that matter.

And why are you comparing us to those three teams? Two only play that way because of the huge amounts of money pumped into them, and Arsenal have one of the strongest squads in the league.

We're not in that bracket, and not every game is similar. I really don't think playing Mirallas and Deulofeu from the start last week would've made a difference. It was one of those days.

Mirallas is by far from 'creative'. He can spark something from nothing, but he's most effective when played through from midfield. Del has all the ability, but tends to drift in and out of games and we can't afford that against every team from the off, as much as he adds something different to our side.

Cleverley played as a box-to-box player for Utd for 2 years under Ferguson, as well. Yes, maybe not the Yaya Toure type, or what we hope Barkley will become, but he's a player who will get you up and down the pitch quickly. This is something McCarthy has been tasked with doing in his absence, and unfortunately he just lacks that final pass to make it work. The two together will form a solid partnership, but Barry, again, is key to our best performances, and he's usually a lot more solid when playing in a three, and it frees Barkley up as well.
 
Be suicide to play him against arsenal. No way he can be up to speed yet. Granted he cant do a worse Job than naismith is on the left. I hope roberto has watched West hams performance, two pacey winger needed drop Barkley deeper in a flat 3 in midfield with instructions to graft his arse off for the good of the team
 
It's not ignoring the talents of Mirallas, though, as he's been injured, then suspended.

As for McCarthy, yes so far he's been poor by his standards this term. But to say he was inconsistent last year? He was by far and away one of our better players. Granted, many underperformed, but the gulf in our side when he isn't playing is huge. Who would you class as a 'destructive' player if not him?

I'm not saying Del should have been dropped, but I can understand why, against Utd, Martinez decided to start Lennon, and Naismith, for that matter.

And why are you comparing us to those three teams? Two only play that way because of the huge amounts of money pumped into them, and Arsenal have one of the strongest squads in the league.

We're not in that bracket, and not every game is similar. I really don't think playing Mirallas and Deulofeu from the start last week would've made a difference. It was one of those days.

Mirallas is by far from 'creative'. He can spark something from nothing, but he's most effective when played through from midfield. Del has all the ability, but tends to drift in and out of games and we can't afford that against every team from the off, as much as he adds something different to our side.

Cleverley played as a box-to-box player for Utd for 2 years under Ferguson, as well. Yes, maybe not the Yaya Toure type, or what we hope Barkley will become, but he's a player who will get you up and down the pitch quickly. This is something McCarthy has been tasked with doing in his absence, and unfortunately he just lacks that final pass to make it work. The two together will form a solid partnership, but Barry, again, is key to our best performances, and he's usually a lot more solid when playing in a three, and it frees Barkley up as well.
he definitely wasn't one of our best players last year.
im comparing us to them because we have quality attacking options. we have 3 "wingers" in mirallas, deulofeu and lennon. theres no way in my mind that only one of them should be played so we can accommodate either cleverley or naismith especially at home. we're conceding goals anyway so lets play two of them. i rate cleverley highly but if hes going to start lets play him centrally, rate him but hes not pienaar and he never will be.
 
he definitely wasn't one of our best players last year.
im comparing us to them because we have quality attacking options. we have 3 "wingers" in mirallas, deulofeu and lennon. theres no way in my mind that only one of them should be played so we can accommodate either cleverley or naismith especially at home. we're conceding goals anyway so lets play two of them. i rate cleverley highly but if hes going to start lets play him centrally, rate him but hes not pienaar and he never will be.
No player is ever exactly like another but Cleverley is far more the style of player that Baines like to work with than Mirallas who is the only one of the three wingers you list that is happy to play on the left.

It might not work out but there were promising signs of them forming a good relationship in limited preseason games, certainly more than we've seen Kev/Leighton manage - Kev seems to work better with either Coleman, Oviedo or even Garbutt.
 

he definitely wasn't one of our best players last year.
im comparing us to them because we have quality attacking options. we have 3 "wingers" in mirallas, deulofeu and lennon. theres no way in my mind that only one of them should be played so we can accommodate either cleverley or naismith especially at home. we're conceding goals anyway so lets play two of them. i rate cleverley highly but if hes going to start lets play him centrally, rate him but hes not pienaar and he never will be.

Fair enough. I can't agree with you on McCarthy, though. Even when he's not at his best, he still makes a massive difference to this team.
 
Be suicide to play him against arsenal. No way he can be up to speed yet. Granted he cant do a worse Job than naismith is on the left. I hope roberto has watched West hams performance, two pacey winger needed drop Barkley deeper in a flat 3 in midfield with instructions to graft his arse off for the good of the team

exactly .. Arsenal look brilliant against teams that lack intent, sit back and hope to hit them on the break. Arsenal's achilles heel is their defence. I agree, I think we should have a flat three in midfield, Kone supporting Lukaku and Lennon bombing about (he gets back too). If any member of the 'flat 3' tire then bring Cleverly on in a 'like for like' swap.

A couple of seasons back we played them off the pitch by attacking them, they were lucky to get away with a 1-1 draw. Start of last season we attacked them, went 2 up and sat back in the 2nd half and were lucky to come away with the draw.
 


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