2018/19 Tom Davies

[DualityNSNO]

Actually at 20, Schneiderlin was playing league 1 football, until he hit 22, then he was playing in the championship

Well, wiki says that's wrong, so...

 

[andy4efc]

Cant even be bothered here, i think the irony of your responses are lost on you

Again, quite rude. Someone doesn't agree so you just insult them.

 

[sageyefc]

Hardly, Davies has been in the profesional game for 2 seasons, Schneiderlin about 10, been to different clubs in different countrys

Doesn't matter they're both seen as equal members of a squad

 

[Lanolin]

What an absolute tunnel minded idiot you sound, likes of you are the reason this place has gone to the dogs, absolute no semblence of even bothering to look at facts, or bother to have a discussion, you have your narrow minded opinion and that wont change, you wouldnt be happy if he played well as you have already made your decision

Actually, whether you agree with it or not, the point he's making is completely valid. Davies and Schneiderlin are effectively competing for the same place in the team (as evidenced by Davies replacing Schneiderlin for our last game) so comparing them as players is not only acceptable, it's absolutely necessary.

I've said this before but when players are playing first team football and being selected ahead of older, more experienced options, you have to judge them on their merits. Writing people off and saying they'll always be useless etc is a little OTT, but saying that someone isn't good enough to be in the team is perfectly acceptable if that's your opinion. I don't understand the idea that we all have to sit here saying someone's a great prospect and doing really well until they suddenly hit 23 and we can all breathe a big sigh of relief and say 'thank god for that now i can admit I think he's useless'.

 

[davids]

Definately can compare. Both play the same position, both are paid senior wages for the same job role.

A half-arsed Schneiderlin is better than Davies. If you're comparing a striker to a defender then ofcourse they cannot be compared but they're both seniors, both play the same position.

You can argue that Davies may go on to be better than Schneiderlin (he wont, because he's crap), but the comparison can be made fairly.

I'd imagine their contracts have different pay grades.

 

[andy4efc]

I'd imagine their contracts have different pay grades.

You would imagine so but they're both seen as senior members of the squad.

 

[catcherintherye]

Comparing Davies to Schneiderlin? They play different positions for a start. One has given everything in his short Everton career to get into the team under multiple different managers, the other has given absolutely nothing and is still half arseing round the pitch even now yet because it’s not quite as bad as his no show last season has some eating out the palm of his hand.

There are a lot off issues at play really. In their own way both are a bit underrated by Everton fans. Schneiderlin is about as far removed from what Everton fans want from their players. He has a bad attitude and thinks his ability should be enough to carry him through games. He puts in the effort when it suits him. However when he puts the effort in he is a good player. I can understand why people don't want that sort of player in the squad. I am more of a pragmatist, if he works hard for the next game and he helps us win I forgive a multitude of sins.

Davies some fella's clearly don't fancy which is fair enough. To be fair to the lad above @andy4efc he obviously doesn't fancy him, which is fair enough. He has said he rates most of the other young players over Davies. He can clearly see that young players can and will improve, but just doesn't see it in Davies. To me thats fair enough. I think most of our young players fall into that category. They divide opinion. None of them are definitely going to be world stars, but none of them are also so poor I can never see them decent footballers. The multitude of opinions ranges within that which is fair enough.

I like Davies. I suppose I take quite a number based approach to young players. His numbers are very good. The number of games he's played, goals he's scored, assists he's made etc matches up very well with most midfielders his age or younger over the last decade or so.

I get the criticism about "what does he do". This is partly to do with his age, but also partly to do with his being a bit of an enigma as a player. The fact he's played in the first team from 17 has meant he hasn't been able to hone and round his skills in the same way a Winks has for example. However he has areas he is very strong in. Thats also as a result of the type of player he is. He's hard to pigeon hole, as he can do everything pretty well, but doesn't excel in any one area.

He can tackle, interception, dribble, get around the pitch and pick a pass in a tight space.He is also not half bad at getting on the end of things. What he needs to do for me is begin to specialise in some of the above. So he gets into the team on that basis and then the rest is a good bonus.

One thing I don't think there can be an argument on though, is at the weekend there was a massive improvement in his defensive discipline. The number of tackles and interceptions he made were about 4-5 times higher than his previous average and will be amongst the highest in the league. To me thats a reflection of some of the basics that he's getting on the coaching field from Silva. If he keeps posting those numbers, he will be a very competent player in a 2 man pivot. It will give him a great platform to do his positive work going forward. Most importantly, given his age it;s unlikely the improvement will stop there. So we should be excited about that.

With Schneiderlin people are hard on him because he's the wrong type of personality for our club. With Davies it's because people I don't think can see the longer term, or beyond the next game. It is normal for players to get better. If we wanted to just play players who performed next week, or the next month it would have been pointless removing Allardyce.

 

[catcherintherye]

Actually at 20, Schneiderlin was playing league 1 football, until he hit 22, then he was playing in the championship

Look at what most midfielders were doing at 20. Very few central midfielders were doing what Davies does. The closest competitor he seems to have is Cook, who's 18 months older and in truth looked an inferior player. Likewise Brooks who's another talented player around the same age is getting game time on the right wing and again was a peripheral figure on Saturday.

I have no problem with criticism of Davies, but it does have to be grounded in reality.

 

[BlueToff]

Actually, whether you agree with it or not, the point he's making is completely valid. Davies and Schneiderlin are effectively competing for the same place in the team (as evidenced by Davies replacing Schneiderlin for our last game) so comparing them as players is not only acceptable, it's absolutely necessary.

I've said this before but when players are playing first team football and being selected ahead of older, more experienced options, you have to judge them on their merits. Writing people off and saying they'll always be useless etc is a little OTT, but saying that someone isn't good enough to be in the team is perfectly acceptable if that's your opinion. I don't understand the idea that we all have to sit here saying someone's a great prospect and doing really well until they suddenly hit 23 and we can all breathe a big sigh of relief and say 'thank god for that now i can admit I think he's useless'.

I don't think this is actually fully true.

They are both competing for the midfield spots, yes, but when you look at the kind of players they are, I'd say it's more like:

Davies/Gana

and one of

Schneiderlin/Gomes

Davies replaced Schneiderlin because of necessity. I'm pretty sure if Gomes was fit, he'd be the player replacing Schneiderlin.

That being said, all of our midfielders need to be capable of getting on the ball at times, but it's fair to say that Davies and Schneiderlin aren't exactly the same types of player.

 

[Brisan123]

Not sure multifaceted games are your thing Brah. Try OXO or something.



Read back what you have just written. How do you think Tom would get on for Middlesbrough this year in the Championship Bruh?

Look at what most midfielders were doing at 20. Very few central midfielders were doing what Davies does. The closest competitor he seems to have is Cook, who's 18 months older and in truth looked an inferior player. Likewise Brooks who's another talented player around the same age is getting game time on the right wing and again was a peripheral figure on Saturday.

I have no problem with criticism of Davies, but it does have to be grounded in reality.

At time GOT and reality occupy two different but parallel universes

 

[davids]

You would imagine so but they're both seen as senior members of the squad.

Maybe than should raise questions about Silva and Brands? If he isn't good enough why isn't he on loan or sold?

 

[AndyC]

What an absolute tunnel minded idiot you sound, likes of you are the reason this place has gone to the dogs, absolute no semblence of even bothering to look at facts, or bother to have a discussion, you have your narrow minded opinion and that wont change, you wouldnt be happy if he played well as you have already made your decision

And @andy4efc
Can we please discuss and debate without resorting to petty insults please?
Thank you.

 

[andy4efc]

Maybe than should raise questions about Silva and Brands? If he isn't good enough why isn't he on loan or sold?

Fair comment

Perhaps too much upheavel in one summer for them to do that?

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

The gormless expression on his face when he’s stood there as Ake loses him and slots...

What was he doing marking the Centre Back - and tallest person on the pitch?

 

[Brendan Janus]

What was he doing marking the Centre Back - and tallest person on the pitch?

And puts his arm up for offside lol