If Tom Cleverly can still get a game in the premier league i think Davies will be alright.
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2019/20 Tom Davies
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Tbf he's 21. How many 21 year olds are bossing it at CM in the premier league right now? How many have ever?
He will certainly have a good career but I think we had hoped he would have progressed further and faster than he has.
He is old enough now to lose the " young boy " tag and be able to play most weeks.
In general I agree with the point that it's a position where players mature late, but there are examples of players who if not exactly bossing it are playing regularly and not looking out of their depth: Lewis Cook (21), Declan Rice (20), Ndidi (22). Of more attacking players you've got Mount (19), Foden (19), Alli (just turned 23).
You're totally right that some exist, but i think to excel the young players in CM have to be defensively built (big fast etc) or playing high enough that errors in possession don't cost their team. I'm sure Davies would love to be playing with two cm's behind him like Alli and Mount.
I'm sure nearly all of the criticism for Davies can be originated from the 2017/18 season, where quite frankly we were [Poor language removed] until big sam steadied the ship playing the kind of football that would quite simply kill the progression of any young CM. (I still don't think he had a bad season for a 19 yo)
Last season we had a dream team CM partnership in Gueye and Gomes. If you compare Davies to them well he's going to come off not too well is he. And, he should be playing further up the pitch than our system could accommodate the majority of the time.
I think that CM is the hardest position on a football pitch and takes a long time to learn and get good at playing there, often good young CM's learn exclusively one side of the role, the defence or the attack, (the Gueye or Gomes role asyoulike) and i think a lot of fans' dismay comes at the fact that Davies has been relied upon to do both of those roles exclusively at times.
I think he has improved and will continue to improve but he needs to start showing it to everyone else this season that's for sure.
More to the point though we should always support our young players and try to give them the confidence to do well
blueblueday
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Thanks for the correction.
Still, for the amount of time he spends on the pitch he earns approx 1. 25m / annum.
For someone so young, having little impact on our fortunes as a club, it seems like a hellish waste and sends out the wrong message to all our youth players.
I guess, as Koeman would say, 'this is football' . Bang average kids on Kings Ransoms riding the gravy train baby!!!
Chimpy Glassman
Player Valuation: £30m
I'm so sorry its not 1963 anymore and footballers don't need a second job.
blueblueday
Player Valuation: £2.5m
You're sarcasm intimates I'm old fashioned. You're right! Mix that in with a general dose of envy and you've sussed me.
Maybe you yourself are a high flyer in the millionaires bracket. I salute you if so.
To look at it from your perspective and without any simple sentence sarcasm we
can indeed see this as money well spent.
The blues get great value out of Tom really. I suppose if we sold him for 8m say then it would be well worth it. Maybe that's why we hold onto him after all He fills out the squad with no complaints as a loyal homegrown millionaire kid.
It's practical for both sides isn't it He gets richer and richer and we still make money on him in 2 or 3 seasons time.
Good business Everton. Give him another 15 or so bit player games this season. We need his value to remain profitable. Tom also needs the extra capital to launch his Tom Davies fashion empire.
Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
He's a No.8 IMO. That's where he's always played best. Not suited to 4231 which might explain why he doesn't look good under Silva or Allardyce. He did well in a 433 under Koeman with 2 other CMs
Pabbers
Player Valuation: £60m
Stop with the sensible posting on this thread.
He needs to be either world class or terrible, that it, 2 choices.
Being a good player is no longer good enough.
Pabbers
Player Valuation: £60m
Mount has played 1 game mate. Davies has done more in prem than him.
Ali is pretty much a striker.
Cook would get hounded by our fans.
Rice too, who looked decent on hist first season....like Davies also did. Lets see his 2nd!!
Foden....ok, looks a baller.
Im not comparing at all, but scholes, gerrard and lampard were not even playing centre mid regular at 21.
rochdaleblue
Player Valuation: £50m
I’m not making excuses for the lad but the number of managers we’ve had since his debut can’t have helped. Unsworth (temp) Koeman, Unsworth (temp) Allardyce and Silva. If he’s receiving different advice from each manager and each set of coaches, it could explain his slow progress. But sadly in the opportunities he’s had, he just hadn’t played well enough to warrant being in the side on a regular basis.
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