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Tom Davies

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Imagine stating that an 18 year old doesn't have what it takes after a making a grand total of 15 appearances.
No sane individual would do that of course.

He has obvious qualities beyond work rate and desire. His spacing is outstanding, his vision is very good, his touch is especially good for someone as disruptive and physical, and he has creativity to some extent. If you have those things at age 18, it would be pretty strange not to improve.

Now if you want to argue projection in terms of good to great, fine.
 
Aye, no use winning the ball and then having every space you run into full of opposition. It was one of the most hideous formations I have ever seen
Exactly. I mean ffs at least put McCarthy in Barry's place so we can compete with their midfield. Barry only invites pressure and that is the last thing we want from a team as organized as Tottenham.
 

No sane individual would do that of course.

He has obvious qualities beyond work rate and desire. His spacing is outstanding, his vision is very good, his touch is especially good for someone as disruptive and physical, and he has creativity to some extent. If you have those things at age 18, it would be pretty strange not to improve.

Now if you want to argue projection in terms of good to great, fine.
Personally, I can't see a specific weakness in his locker. He just needs to continue to improve with maturity in everything he does, have an open mind to learning from the likes of Barry, Schneids and the coaching team, and be able to deliver on a consistent basis. He already has the basics so he's starting from a much better position than most kids his age.

He's never going to be a Barkley or a Rooney, but if he turns into a modern day Peter Reid you won't hear me complaining. I've heard some people say his style reminds them of Alan Ball. He's certainly an all action player but Bally was truly world class. I think it's a bit much to ask that of him.
 
Personally, I can't see a specific weakness in his locker. He just needs to continue to improve with maturity in everything he does, have an open mind to learning from the likes of Barry, Schneids and the coaching team, and be able to deliver on a consistent basis. He already has the basics so he's starting from a much better position than most kids his age.

He's never going to be a Barkley or a Rooney, but if he turns into a modern day Peter Reid you won't hear me complaining. I've heard some people say his style reminds them of Alan Ball. He's certainly an all action player but Bally was truly world class. I think it's a bit much to ask that of him.

spot on, he has all the attributes to be a top top player. Also @davek when he talked about parts of his game he needed to improve, he was talking about positioning which is something that takes a lot of games as a young lad to learn as in when to stick and when he can go. The kid can pass, run, tackle, has a goal in him and can pick a real pass.

Absolute crazy talk to suggest he's shown nothing or has nothing about him. Had a quiet game against Spurs and that's going to happen over the next 12/18 months but he's already shown enough to say he's earned his chance to be starting and in and around the 1st team squad.
 
He is the precious of one of the most precious things in football.

He is an excellent player with plenty of headroom for improvement, more importantly he is a player made at Everton. He is a high energy player with desire and motivation, he covers ground with and without the ball. In his position the yards he can make with the ball at feet and all his range of passing is exceptional. What stands out is his vision and decision making for his age. We can think of the Tom Cleverleys of this word who make loads of passes but without any meaningful purpose. Davies's passing all has meaning, purpose and intent. He has brilliant vision both peripheral and also to spot a developing goal scoring situation, some of his defense splitting passes are superb. The energy he brings at a young age can dictate the tempo of a game or the speed of an attack. While he has the temperament not to be awed by the transition he has made into PL football - that goal against City, how many experienced PL would have snatched at it? Walsh has likened him to Brian Robson and i think that is an accurate description in terms of style of play, of course Davies hasn't anywhere proven himself to be player capable of being compared to Robson.

Beyond that hes an Everton made player, the value of that is untold, the great United team of 90/00 was made of a couple of truly great players but also players who had the club identity at heart and what they lacked in world class high end talent they made up for in passion, desire and drive in the clubs identity and being a part of that, Davies is of that ilk, he is the new Everton he a beacon and representation of the new Everton and the quest to smash through the glass ceiling, he is a new generation without the limits or doubts of the past. Don't underestimate what that means, we all feel it when we watch him play, its why we have taken him into our hearts the untold or unacknowledged bond that their elicits that in us.

Being more pragmatic, an honest question we were going bald headed for a no 8 in the summer in fact we nearly dropped 40mill on Sissoko, clearly not a player who elicit the type of feeling i mention above and frankly would be here for the cash. Now an honest question if you had the choice now for the next 5 years would you swap Daives for Sissoko given the choice, not in a million years would i. From a club perspective developing Daives has saved us 10s of millions. It also has untold benifits, one of fears with the new money was that we would loose a strong aspect of our clubs philosophy that is nurturing,, developing and giving our youth a pathway to the first team. We have a rich history in this regard and Davies stands as a beacon of hope for every underage player at Everton, but around the country and provides the club with the profile to go to any talented youth player in the country considering a move and say "look at Tom daives" you will get your chance at Everton.

Davies breakthrough to my eyes represents something special and unique for the new Everton, its a finger pointed at the future, its setting the tone of desire for what Everton is and what our identity is in his style of play while respecting and raising the profile of our proud tradition of nurturing supporting and providing a path way for the best young talent on offer.
 
he doesn't have Barry's nouse
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What top 10 side relies on a 18 year old teenager as their creative midfielder

Barry playing means we sit 10 yards deeper and players go past him with ease...

Can I ask ? How many top ten teams have an 18 year old ( not that age matters... ability does) that has the ability of Davies?

And how many top ten teams have a 36 year old playing cm?
 
I agree Rooney didn't progress dramatically after he left for United. However, Rooney's "greatness" is real and it manifested itself in how he - at the top of his career - subsumed himself for the good of the team as a whole. When Ronaldo came along he didn't get a cob on and lose it, he stepped back and allowed Ronaldo to come through and take the limelight but went quietly on being the fulcrum for the team and made himself even more crucial than Ronaldo for United's success. To do that with his talent took some amount of discipline and understanding of what would make for a successful team effort that gained him top honours in club football. He's done that ever since and and United owe him a great debt for being that type of fairly ego-less superstar player. Scholes did that, but Scholes (though fantastic) was never on Rooney's level.

Scholes was never Rooney's level? Literally everyone xavi, zidane, Rooney himself, figo ect all said Paul scholes is the best player they played against. Zidane said the biggest regret of his career was not playing in the same team as scholes
 

Scholes was never Rooney's level? Literally everyone xavi, zidane, Rooney himself, figo ect all said Paul scholes is the best player they played against. Zidane said the biggest regret of his career was not playing in the same team as scholes
They all say he was the complete central midfield player.

He is a different beats to Rooney. Rooney had a lot more flexibility to his game than Scholes and he was the best second attacker in Europe and probably world football in his day.
 
They all say he was the complete central midfield player.

He is a different beats to Rooney. Rooney had a lot more flexibility to his game than Scholes and he was the best second attacker in Europe and probably world football in his day.
You're on a sticky wicket here mate. Scholes was outstanding in the best United team in living memory. Rooney wouldn't have got into that team at it's peak, he'd have been an impact sub with Solskjaer.
 
I don't think anybody is saying e can't make it but some have questioned his current level. That's fair enough, needs to happen and will be happening behind closed doors.

As people have said Davies doesn't really have any weakness to his game. He's the most complete young player we've had since Rooney. As has been indicated as well, he's 18 and as talented as any lad in the league who's the same age. He will keep on getting better and growing. That may mean spells in and out of the side. However if he keeps developing at the rate he has he will end up with lots of England caps.
 
You're on a sticky wicket here mate. Scholes was outstanding in the best United team in living memory. Rooney wouldn't have got into that team at it's peak, he'd have been an impact sub with Solskjaer.
Not so sure mate. I assume you're talking of a front 4 of Cole, Sheringham, Yorke and Solskjaer. I'd have had Rooney ahead of each of them tbh.

On the question of Scholes or Rooney, it's a close one but I'd probably just about go with Rooney in his prime when I think he was the better player. Scholes was probably the better servant though and if you put that same question to Man U fans I reckon the majority would go with Scholes.
 
Not so sure mate. I assume you're talking of a front 4 of Cole, Sheringham, Yorke and Solskjaer. I'd have had Rooney ahead of each of them tbh.

On the question of Scholes or Rooney, it's a close one but I'd probably just about go with Rooney in his prime when I think he was the better player. Scholes was probably the better servant though and if you put that same question to Man U fans I reckon the majority would go with Scholes.
No a front 2 of Yorke and Cole, who dovetailed brilliantly. Sheringham and Solskjaer on the bench.
 

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