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Toxic Fans - Are They Holding Us Back?

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The binman chronicles said:
But we all know the situation that we don't have a lot of money to change that, so how is turning on the team within 2 games helping exactly? It's also damned if they don't, damned if they do, as say we get a player realistically we know we can get (Adams) and slap down 15/16 million and improved wages to get it done ASAP, if he doesn't get up and running quickly just like with Maupay the crowd will turn on him saying he was never good enough in the first place and we overpaid, he'll find it difficult from there on.

Someone will have to report how the atmosphere is like at the weekend but it was bordline toxic against Fulham and that is down to the fans. Add in the messages to the players and DCL getting abuse and we can't say we're all sweetness and light.
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Probs because we could have started that Fulham game sans Maupay and Keane? They're not being played out of necessity are they.
 
Nymzee said:
Probs because we could have started that Fulham game sans Maupay and Keane? They're not being played out of necessity are they.
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Of course, I was unhappy but I didn't throw my toys out of the pram. We must remember that is on the manager not the club, he could have and should have started Dom and I wanted Braithwaite to take Keane's place as soon as he came back. We had better tools to use and he didn't want to for whatever reason.

If we fire Dyche just for that within the first three games we are going to look like a right basketcase and we've paid out enough compensation for now. Hopefully he comes to his senses, managers love to die on their hills though.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Of course, I was unhappy but I didn't throw my toys out of the pram. We must remember that is on the manager not the club, he could have and should have started Dom and I wanted Braithwaite to take Keane's place as soon as he came back. We had better tools to use and he didn't want to for whatever reason.

If we fire Dyche just for that within the first three games we are going to look like a right basketcase and we've paid out enough compensation for now. Hopefully he comes to his senses, managers love to die on their hills though.
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The manager is an arm of the club though. They employed him.

It's not a fans + manager vs club.

It's fans vs club including the manager.
 
Nymzee said:
The manager is an arm of the club though. They employed him.

It's not a fans + manager vs club.

It's fans vs club including the manager.
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But isn't the fact we aren't giving them a fair crack a sure sign of toxicity of the fan base? Unless we have a brilliant start and things going well we kick off. Dyche has only been here 8 months so shouldn't some leeway coming off his first preseason be given? Else we go around and around in circles, unsettle the team by having a new manager, he clears out and gets his players, then fire...ad infinitum.
 
The binman chronicles said:
But isn't the fact we aren't giving them a fair crack a sure sign of toxicity of the fan base? Unless we have a brilliant start and things going well we kick off. Dyche has only been here 8 months so shouldn't some leeway coming off his first preseason be given? Else we go around and around in circles, unsettle the team by having a new manager, he clears out and gets his players, then fire...ad infinitum.
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After watching him stick with Michael Keane for 10 brutal games in a row last season, to be within 30 mins of us going down, and then showing up to a fresh season picking him again, twice, to disastrous effect, when does fair crack end stop being deserved?

I understand what you're trying to achieve but no more excuses from everybody.
 

Right, I’ve completed a study on this in my own time (I know, boring). I’ve done it within the parameters of age, gender, location and frequency of attending matches. I’ve colllated the evidence and compared it with previous studies of this nature and have been able to conclude after 3 years of dilligent hard work that the problem is a lot of our fanbase watch American wresting. A fact backed up by our very own wrestling thread on here. Until this group of under- performing individuals is eradicated Everton will never improve or progress.
I won’t charge for my findings.
 
After the last few seasons I'm not surprised the fans are toxic.
The fact remains though that players respond better to encouragement rather than vitriol.
The management on the other hand want shooting.
 

chicoazul said:
Seen someone raise a point there about Evertonians writing off Anthony Gordon and chasing him out, the same Anthony Gordon who’s ripping Liverpool apart right now starring for the richest club in the world.

Wasn’t sure what to think about that.
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Even if he's brilliant at Newcastle doesn't mean he would have been in our side. We were better off with the money.

Obviously stopping his car and giving him abuse was going way too far and just gives a player a reason to check out. Another example when emotions boil over we tend to shoot our own feet.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Even if he's brilliant at Newcastle doesn't mean he would have been in our side. We were better off with the money.

Obviously stopping his car and giving him abuse was going way too far and just gives a player a reason to check out. Another example when emotions boil over we tend to shoot our own feet.
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Thank you for calling Everton fans toxic pal.
 

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