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2020/21 Tyler Onyango

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Loans often don't work for a lot of young players in terms of developing them for their parent club because they're simply not good enough. And likewise there are a lot of players who acknowledge the benefits and improvements that a loan spell has given them and helped their progress at their parent club.

The notion that a club outside the PL will actively ruin a player is a tad misguided as well. There are a lot of very good facilities outside the PL and well regarded coaches spread throughout the game who are all looking to impress and further their own careers. No benefits to ruining a young talent.

I'd agree there is no rush to send out a 17 year old on loan but if a player starts approaching 20 and has yet to show they're clearly capable of bridging that gap then a loan is often required, if only for the shop window effect, otherwise it clogs up the u23/u18 squads and having too many players around is detrimental to the quality of training.

...if this lad is as good as we hope, he won’t be going on loan anywhere because the Manager will want to use him. If he gets to 20 and we send him on loan, then I’d wager he won’t have a future here.
 
I think if Brands is going for 6 or 7 central midfielders then perhaps it could be;

1:
2:
3: Doucoure
4: Allan
5: Gbamin*
6: Davies
7: Onyango

With one of the current other centre midfielders retained: Gomes, Delph, Sigurdsson and a new player signed in the summer?

*Once Gbamin has been fully assessed.
Man, stop doing this. You get kids having 10 minutes of first-team action and you leap into Championship Manager mode plotting out the next 10 years of their career lol
 
In all seriousness I did not realise he was that ‘kin big; if he can develop he’ll be a monster of a general in the middle of the park

he’s huuuuuuuge

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Played 5 minutes against Sheffield Wednesday 3-0 up and were raving on saying he looked good etc lol I’m all for giving youth a chance but let’s not not get carried away on a 5 minute cameo. Flip side proud moment for the lad and his family hopefully he can keep doing well in the youth side
The overwhelming majority of young lads in the academy never get a run in the first team even in challenge games. Most lads who are given a chance would probably be two years older than these two.

We all understand that they are not being brought into the first team any time soon but CA being prepared to give them a run shows how highly regarded they are.

I don't think these will ever be sent on loan, I think these are being groomed for the first team at Everton , they will train with the first team and learn from the best trainers and players at the club.
 
Thought he was the brighter of the two new faces but he has been on the radar for a while so great to see him play just gutted for him it wasn't a packed out Goodison

Well of the two he was the only one with a significant touch of the ball. However can't really surmise much from a cameo, nor should we read too much into their futures, good, bad or indifferent. But we will. Sadly.

Anthony Gordon.
 
...I really don’t get the obsession of some posters who want to send our best young talent on loan. Going on loan isn’t La La Land, it very rarely works. He’ll be away from Ancelotti and coaches who are managing his development with care. He’ll be away from international quality team mates who he can train with and learn from every day.

There‘s probably more chance that sending this kid on loan will ruin him. Sorry, but I think it’s such a ridiculous idea. Fleetwood!!

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That is Harry Kane, Kyle Walker, Dominic Calvert Lewin, Tammy Abraham & Harvey Barnes' career's so far.
All had numerous loans at an early age, all learned one way or another from them and all came back to there club and have done excelentlly.

The England squad is littered with players that have either had early loans or just came up through the lower leagues with the odd exception of the likes of Foden/Sancho etc who have been elite since the age of 10.

At the age of about 18, these lads (the likes of onyango & small) have time for at least 2/3 years out there to learn from loan deals and then come back to fine tune it with better players and better coaches.
This weekend with Rhys Williams & Jarrad Branthwaite is a good example.
Williams is a talent, but a very young talent with alot to learn still, he's been thrust into the first team and made some decent performances, but his inconsistencies have shown, especially against Utd and now he is getting torn to bits for it with a massive spot light on him because it is Man Utd vrs Liverpool, he dosent have time to learn, time to work on that consistent level.
Branthwaite on the other hand almost took some guys head off, without VAR he was lucky to get away with not giving away a penalty and probably a red card for dangerous play.
If that is in the Premier League for us, that happens because we have VAR and again, the spotlight is on it massively, wheras for Blackburn, it wont even be mentioned.

I understand we have had some disastrous loans in the past which hasent helped the players, but it could kjust generally be alot of them dont have what it takes that other players have gone out on loan and shown!
 
Played 5 minutes against Sheffield Wednesday 3-0 up and were raving on saying he looked good etc lol I’m all for giving youth a chance but let’s not not get carried away on a 5 minute cameo. Flip side proud moment for the lad and his family hopefully he can keep doing well in the youth side

Beat me to it mate. We slag the RS off for doing the same thing, yet we're doing it after five minutes of first team footy. lol
 

Hope he can fulfil potential, that's the first I have seen him and he had 8 minutes so hard to judge. Nice to see them get some minutes once the tie was dead though, it will be a confidence boost for them.
 
....and @Raino85, not one example of a successful Everton Academy loanee because there are very few. I reckon maybe Barkley & Osman are the only true Academy youngsters who have gone on loan and played more than 50 games for Everton (both had major injury at a critical stage in their development that saw them lose a lot of game time). It’s because we promote our very best youngsters and if they fail they get sent on loan (Pennington etc).

Gibson is currently at Reading and started 2 games, I find it difficult to see how he can now come back. I have no issue with Branthwaite, let’s hope he’s another like Coleman & Holgate who already had experience of playing open-age footy and came back to become valuable squad members.

i watched Onyango closely in the U23s and his quality with the ball is ordinary, even at that level. To send a 17 year old to Fleetwood later this year would be very high risk as he won’t be allowed to make mistakes with points at a premium. He could well struggle for game time, i fear he could go backwards.

A valuable asset, I’d be amazed if he’s not very carefully managed within the club.
 
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