billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
He has the stature and looked pretty composed. Promising very early days though he will have to fill out a bit.
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Arteta2391
Player Valuation: £30m
Tyler Tango
Can't wait for him to link up with George Green.
Galloway is an unusual one though in that he came onto the radar playing for MK Dons in League 1.
He already had experience in lower league football and it shouldn't have been a culture shock to go to somewhere like WBA who weren't exactly dossing around League 2 in a ramshackle stadium and training on the local park. If he had more about him than to end up on Luton's bench then it's arguable he wouldn't have ended up on Luton's bench.
I can't say if it's the case for Galloway specifically as I don't know the fella but sometimes a little bit of early success is as bad for a player as any bumpy loan deal can be. Some players just don't enjoy the game and what goes with it in the top flight and end up drifting around the lower leagues regardless of how talented they are.
It's often as much about the individual as it is a case of loans being a good or bad thing in and of themselves.
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
I don't really expect either of them to appear again this season so hopefully the hype train wont pick up much speed anytime soon.
I think at 17 he should stay and develop here and maybe next season look at a loan
the development of a player is so complex and will come down to the needs and attributes of each individual player. I don’t think anyone can put a finger on why those mentioned before like Galloway, Garbutt, McAleny etc never kicked on. One factor is that football is super competitive and the premier league is the most global and rich league in the world and the standard and physicality is frightening. Thinking of those players - Galloway, Garbutt in particular, throw in Pennington, Browning, Ledson, McAleny ... i’d say a good few of those make it if they come through in 2001, they displace the old fogies in our side and they can get us points in that era of the premier league. These days, they dont
Garbutt and Galloway in particular looked like they had the skillset to play at that level, Garbutt had De Bruyne in his pocket v Wolfsburg and that was the weak part of his game!
who knows how his career could have panned out differently. Maybe he went on loan to Bournemouth in 2015 instead and played for a progressive side in the premier league and developed to Chilwells level. In another world he stays at Everton, Baines gets injured, we sign Shaqiri and he plays alongside Deulofeu and wins the FA Cup with us
Harry Kane another example being thrown in here. His loan moves were terrible in a sense, he didnt play much, he didnt score much. Maybe the rejection kept him working. He’s obviously got an incredible resolution.
but the biggest opportunity Kane got was that Spurs had loads of injuries and played in the Europa League. If Adebayor and Defoe stayed fit Harry Kane is probably playing for Plymouth now
football development can come down to a lot of factors such as coaching, opportunity, game time etc. It can also just come down to getting the right bit of luck at the right time
the development of a player is so complex and will come down to the needs and attributes of each individual player. I don’t think anyone can put a finger on why those mentioned before like Galloway, Garbutt, McAleny etc never kicked on. One factor is that football is super competitive and the premier league is the most global and rich league in the world and the standard and physicality is frightening. Thinking of those players - Galloway, Garbutt in particular, throw in Pennington, Browning, Ledson, McAleny ... i’d say a good few of those make it if they come through in 2001, they displace the old fogies in our side and they can get us points in that era of the premier league. These days, they dont
Garbutt and Galloway in particular looked like they had the skillset to play at that level, Garbutt had De Bruyne in his pocket v Wolfsburg and that was the weak part of his game!
who knows how his career could have panned out differently. Maybe he went on loan to Bournemouth in 2015 instead and played for a progressive side in the premier league and developed to Chilwells level. In another world he stays at Everton, Baines gets injured, we sign Shaqiri and he plays alongside Deulofeu and wins the FA Cup with us
Harry Kane another example being thrown in here. His loan moves were terrible in a sense, he didnt play much, he didnt score much. Maybe the rejection kept him working. He’s obviously got an incredible resolution.
but the biggest opportunity Kane got was that Spurs had loads of injuries and played in the Europa League. If Adebayor and Defoe stayed fit Harry Kane is probably playing for Plymouth now
football development can come down to a lot of factors such as coaching, opportunity, game time etc. It can also just come down to getting the right bit of luck at the right time
i think that point about the individual is huge as well. Plenty of players in the top flight who werent at the top academies, who didnt play for england age groups but who are at top sides or at least playing reguarly in the premier league
many of the big heralded players who were world class for their age ending up in league one, whether their talent hit a plateau or they didnt have the desire or the tactical ability to play at the top level is another thing
Double Negative
Player Valuation: £750k
I’m sure he was a ballboy in the Paddock/Gwladys St. corner. Round about the time when Witsel “was ours”. The lids in the Lower Gwladys would remember...
While for many yesterday was their first glimpse of Onyango, he’s been catching the eye for about two years when he appeared as a school kid for the u18s and then last season up into the U23s early . So he’s ticking some of the boxes you like to see in a youngster - playing up above his age, good size and physicality and a third one playing youth international football, which he’s been doing for England.
Seeing him and Small was a nice marker for me . There are more experienced U23s players in the positions they played last night in Beni Baningime andNathan Broadhead, but neither have a future here so we chose to give the best prospects a chance, looking to the future. I’m sure as he’s about 6 foot 4ins there’ll be lazy comparisons with Patrick Viera , well not so much lazy as plain ridiculous as Viera was for me one of the PL all time greats. What Onyango has shown at U23s/18 is the potential to be a box to box midfielder who can use his long legs to tackle and pop up in the box to score or make an assist. He showed that a few months back against Chelsea U23s keeping up with Gordon who was on a run down the wing to take his pass and prod the ball home from inside the box. So he has good stamina and pace which weren’t shown last night.
But while it was lovely to see him come on last night he’s far, far away from being ready to challenge for a first team place and I’d be surprised if we saw him in another squad this season. That’s not a problem though, he's got a lot to work on and training with the first team , playing at U23s will give him that chance to develop properly away from the limelight and high expectations.
Seeing him and Small was a nice marker for me . There are more experienced U23s players in the positions they played last night in Beni Baningime andNathan Broadhead, but neither have a future here so we chose to give the best prospects a chance, looking to the future. I’m sure as he’s about 6 foot 4ins there’ll be lazy comparisons with Patrick Viera , well not so much lazy as plain ridiculous as Viera was for me one of the PL all time greats. What Onyango has shown at U23s/18 is the potential to be a box to box midfielder who can use his long legs to tackle and pop up in the box to score or make an assist. He showed that a few months back against Chelsea U23s keeping up with Gordon who was on a run down the wing to take his pass and prod the ball home from inside the box. So he has good stamina and pace which weren’t shown last night.
But while it was lovely to see him come on last night he’s far, far away from being ready to challenge for a first team place and I’d be surprised if we saw him in another squad this season. That’s not a problem though, he's got a lot to work on and training with the first team , playing at U23s will give him that chance to develop properly away from the limelight and high expectations.
He kept up with Gordon for his goal against Chelsea u23s
with his frame he’s unlikely to turn or accelerate quickly but once he gets into his stride he can shift
He's N'zonzi like.
zzr45
#MURDERINGSCUM
In many ways though that’s half the purpose of a loan, players need to develop the mental skills to be able to cope with setbacks and the challenges of getting your name on the team sheet week after week. Sitting in a youth squad where you train week in week out and play your game without being tested doesn’t give you that.
If Kane doesn’t go out on loan and have to develop the mindset that he has to impress, but also develop the skills to be able to cope with the pressure when he gets his opportunity, then he probably doesn’t break through.
I think if you look at the players that haven’t made it with us, there never seems to be that gradual development of challenge. One week you’re playing in a system where you’re very comfortable, next you’re thrown into a Premier game with 5 minutes left 1-0 down.
Obviously don’t know the mentality of the lad, but I hope when he’s ready he’s sent on loan somewhere that he has to develop those skills. I think it’s been the thing missing from our youth players for far too long.
canuckblue
Player Valuation: £50m
Vertically, at least.
BornBlue76
Player Valuation: £35m
My lazy comparison is actually fellaini for some reason.. may be the hair.. too early to call a Vieira let alone the next Davies. Too early to call anything. But ticked another box.. in and around the first team in his teens... not ready to mix it yet but the signs are good.
both players hardly got enough of a run to say anything about their quality.. but they’ll soak it up and remember it forever !!
Osamabindiesel
Player Valuation: £70m
When did I even mention his position?!?!?!!?!!?!!! lollollollollollollollollollollollollollol
Good joke
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