Unai Emery

[Zatara]

Zat.
Those managers in the Dutch league may prove to be brilliant managers, but they are managing teams in a league which is possibly Championship standard. The step up from there to dealing with huge talents, huge egos and huge sums of money is enormous. I think they need to manage at an intermediate level first before they take on the Premiership.

The new Everton will be a lot less forgiving than before. I remember with David Moyes in one season that I think we were bottom November and yet he retained the full support of Bill Kenwright, under the new set up e would have been sacked.
Whatever new manager we et will be operating under a totally different set of circumstances.

I think FDB is MORE than capable of handling bug egos. Look at who he captained and how fast he built a team at ajax under hard conditions.

He takes no prisoners and offloads players fast if they disappoint him like SAF used to do.

Wouldnt worry about his authority. He commands huge respect....

He's Frank De Boer.

 

[Slippin Jimmy]

All of the above stats are all well and good but he's not Jose Mourinho and he should be our number one target

I just don't think there's any chance of Mourinho mate, we're not in European comps and he'll jump at the chance to manage Man U whenever it comes about.

 

[bluestevon]

That's after his failed stint at Moscow. Many detractors use that to point to a lack of success outside Spain. Moscow was in UCL so it was a step up.

He got shafted in Spartak mate, foreign managers are treated way way more harshly than native ones are by the media and fans/owners

 

[bluestevon]

That's after his failed stint at Moscow. Many detractors use that to point to a lack of success outside Spain. Moscow was in UCL so it was a step up.

He got shafted in Spartak mate, foreign managers are treated way way more harshly than native ones are by the media and fans/owners

 

[Professor Toffee]

He got shafted in Spartak mate, foreign managers are treated way way more harshly than native ones are by the media and fans/owners

You can say that again

 

[efcjames]

Wonder when we will start getting linked to him

 

[Shu Ren Dennis Ng]

I really dont understand this.

FDB brought back the title to Ajax after 7 years and was competing with clubs with higher wage budgets + spent £4.5mil on his major transfer bringing in £60mil+ as a net spend whilst losing Ericsson and Vertonghen amongst others.

Whilst Emery has done similar at Sevilla he hasnt brought through the amount of young players which FDB has and has limited english.

I dont see how appointing one over the other shows no ambition? FDB is also more of a believer in exciting players rather than workhorses and ultra defensive players in the team.

OK, let me requote mysel

If we don't approach him and just hire FDB, I would seriously doubt Moshiri's ambitions.

It's about trying. I would be disappointed if we don't try because that's not considering all possible options.

I read up FDB's background and am fairly impressed, but still prefer Emery over what he has done. In fact, I would take Cocu over FDB. But FDB is at least in my mind ahead of a lot of other linked candidates.

Sevilla to La Liga is not Ajax to the Dutch league. They have been the superpowers in the league forever, so reviving it is not as difficult as trying to create a new player.

Look at Chelsea and how much time and money it took to break into the elite, and how despite the failings of everyone involved, United and Liverpool just don't fade away into history.

So to inspire change, FDB can be a hit or miss, Emery can be a hit or miss, but judging by record, Emery has my vote if both are considered. My disapproval will be over whether we even made the effort to talk to Emery rather than the appointment of another candidate.

 

[Carlito]

I think FDB is MORE than capable of handling bug egos. Look at who he captained and how fast he built a team at ajax under hard conditions.

He takes no prisoners and offloads players fast if they disappoint him like SAF used to do.

Wouldnt worry about his authority. He commands huge respect....

He's Frank De Boer.

The fact he's now been had off twice by Cocu has put me right off him.

 

[Goat]

OK, let me requote mysel



It's about trying. I would be disappointed if we don't try because that's not considering all possible options.

I read up FDB's background and am fairly impressed, but still prefer Emery over what he has done. In fact, I would take Cocu over FDB. But FDB is at least in my mind ahead of a lot of other linked candidates.

Sevilla to La Liga is not Ajax to the Dutch league. They have been the superpowers in the league forever, so reviving it is not as difficult as trying to create a new player.

Look at Chelsea and how much time and money it took to break into the elite, and how despite the failings of everyone involved, United and Liverpool just don't fade away into history.

So to inspire change, FDB can be a hit or miss, Emery can be a hit or miss, but judging by record, Emery has my vote if both are considered. My disapproval will be over whether we even made the effort to talk to Emery rather than the appointment of another candidate.

You dont know we havent tried mate, I mean out of respect its unlikely we would have asked before the end of the season, they have a cup final this weekend I think? But im sure we have picked up the phone to his agent.

From what Esk says we have an actual firm of people looking for our manager, I would be shocked if they didnt consider or contact the top 20 managers in the world.

 

[Shu Ren Dennis Ng]

For me though the ambition is outweighed by the financial cost, other than Koeman most managers are going to be on 2/3 years contracts, compensation could be upwards of 5 million for some managers which means if Martinez was bought out for around 10 million on his 12 million contract that is 15 million on 1 manager change which for a club our size even with added finances is a hell of a lot of money.

Can we toss BK the bill instead? He was the one most in love with RM to the bitter end.

The compensation should not matter is because I don't believe we should have a $100m spend in Moshiri's first year. You have to follow that up every year to keep up with appearances or the bloodhounds over on the other side will be out in masses. That's why if we're paying too much in the manager, hopefully we'll hire a man that doesn't need that much funds to succeed. In my mind, that's Emery.

 

[Shu Ren Dennis Ng]

You dont know we havent tried mate, I mean out of respect its unlikely we would have asked before the end of the season, they have a cup final this weekend I think? But im sure we have picked up the phone to his agent.

From what Esk says we have an actual firm of people looking for our manager, I would be shocked if they didnt consider or contact the top 20 managers in the world.

I would assume the same and that if we're interested, we might only start after this weekend. I just want to make enough noise so that we do make an effort in it.

 

[bluestevon]

De Boer also missed out to PSV last season mate. Cocu has a team of young players who he had at u19 level when he coached them and brought the group through once becoming manager.

For me, Emery has lost players and has a huge positive net spend but has also been able to attract players due to the lure of Sevilla. Hes gone for workhorses (like @bluestevon said) which are usually cheaper than flair players of course. Basically a much better Martin O'Neill.

FDB has had to play the Ajax way +his transfer record is £4.5mil and has a positive net spend of £60mil+ compared to Emerys £80mil+ and bearing in mind Emery has sold individuals for more than FDB has its quite similar or in FDBs favour.

How to attract top stars to Ajax unless from smaller leagues and with peanuts to spend on individuals?

If were looking for a manager who is no nonsense with a global name and can bring on the young players with an attacking dominant passing style who commands respect from top stars then i would say that is FDB rather than Emery.

i think if we hired emery and werent top 4 within 2 seasons the fans would turn on him or he would be sacked before then due to his negative style of play.

Underselling the players he goes for to call them workhorses though mate, he has had some absolute quality players that he has also gotten to work their arses off, no one would call Suarez a workhorsefor example but he does work damned hard, same with Emery and some players he's worked with, Vidal, Banega, Rakatic for example are all quality players that he managed to turn into really hard working players as well...

What Emery seems to be very very good at, is looking at players who for one reason or another have never hit their potential, and getting them to actually fulfuil it, IF the likes of Barkley and Deulofeu bought/buy into his tough love style then they would become much improved players than they ever would have become under an all too lenient manager like Martinez for example.

Suarez (Denis) for example came on really well whilst loaned their so Emery CAN work with young players - but they have to be willing to put the work in - and honestly speaking Deulofeu talent that he is needs to start putting the work in or he will end up another case of a wonderkid who faded out to become an average player

What i would say about a FDB and Emery comparision though is mate, it is a lot easier to sell your best players and stay near the top when your managing Ajax in a very weak league than it is to have to do that and managing to still get top 3 finishes (Valencia) and qualify for the EL (and win it 3 times) with Sevilla in a very competitive league

 

[Goat]

Can we toss BK the bill instead? He was the one most in love with RM to the bitter end.

The compensation should not matter is because I don't believe we should have a $100m spend in Moshiri's first year. You have to follow that up every year to keep up with appearances or the bloodhounds over on the other side will be out in masses. That's why if we're paying too much in the manager, hopefully we'll hire a man that doesn't need that much funds to succeed. In my mind, that's Emery.

I think you are wrong my Friend.

Any manager we hired would need vast funds to compete, this isnt La Liga or Eresdivivivie or whatever its called.

I realise Vardy FC did it on a shoestring, but they werent 5000/1 for nothing, it wont happen again IMO.

Emery has done quite poorly in La Liga for me, its a 3 team league and hes currently 7th.

Thats not to take anything away from him, hes done a great job in Europe, but I think you are over selling him a lot.

 

[bluestevon]

You can say that again

Bloody mouse is on it's way out so end up double and triple posting loads lol

 

[bluestevon]

I think you are wrong my Friend.

Any manager we hired would need vast funds to compete, this isnt La Liga or Eresdivivivie or whatever its called.

I realise Vardy FC did it on a shoestring, but they werent 5000/1 for nothing, it wont happen again IMO.

Emery has done quite poorly in La Liga for me, its a 3 team league and hes currently 7th.

Thats not to take anything away from him, hes done a great job in Europe, but I think you are over selling him a lot.

Thing is Goat, if you was a Sevilla fan, would you rather qualify for the CL by finishing 4th or by winning the EL and still finishing in the qualifying positions for the next years EL which is what they do?

Because it seems like that is a conscious decision he makes every year to prioritise the EL soon as they reach the QF and from that point their league form suffers

At a bigger/better squad with Valencia he did get 3rd routinely - before the Simeone revival at Athletico obviously

Being honest if any manger came into here - finished 7th roughly every season and got us into Europe and on top of that we then won 3 European pots and possibly a domestic one as well then i'd snap your hand off - espeically if they did it on the type of net spend that Sevilla have had

People mentoion this seaosns away record with them, but christ until they reached the QF's of the EL he'd won 13 of 15 at home in the league ...