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Charlie Sweet said:
I remember when I would play blackjack at casino's in my younger years, you would often see groups of eastern European men come in, blow 500 quid in a short space of time, go and get some more, lose again. Get some more, win a load and cash the chips.

I'd always wonder where people get so much money from. Nobody at the casino really asks. They are turning money over.

If you have income streams that you want to obfuscate (for a variety of reasons) then a football club is an excellent way to do it.

Usmanov's wealth I've seen as upwards of 18 billion, with significant access to liquidity. If he's involved we have to assume Skotch will be involved too (circa 6-8 billion). The 3 of them have official wealth of upwards of 25 billion officially. Goodness knows how much unnofficially.

I saw earlier on this thread, that Gazprom is heavily owned by the Russian state, but Usmanov owns shares and influence.

I am not stating this is my belief, but posing a question, but could it be possible that the Russian state is looking to acquire Cultural institutions in the west and potentially key property developments in England? To build a broader portfolio? To be able to exert influence etc?

If that were the aim, guys like Usmanov who are well ingratiated with a variety of individuals would be a pretty good way of doing it. Moshiri is particularly adept at the connections he has.

If Usmanov has an involvement in Everton, I would suggest that figures that go much beyond Usmanov may also be involved.

It could all be untrue of course. However if you look at our balance sheet, any orthodox reading would be we are in rather a lot of trouble, posting record losses. Hardly symptomatic of a club who can go and fork out a huge sum of money for a top manager and give him a bumper transfer kitty. So it suggests that those running the club are viewing it in a different dimension to this.

It's hard to believe a guy with a couple of billion to his name is happy to gamble all of his holdings on Everton in the manner the has.
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Our new stadium cannot really be considered a "key property development in England"!
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but LW can
 

catcherintherye said:
It is all in the dots
Just a matter of which way you join them up
Everton football club is a means to an end and an ego trip as well
The fact that they get a chance to go one up on Kronke is a bonus.
Why did Usmanov meet Ancelotti when Arsenal were linked
@roydo .
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I remember when I would play blackjack at casino's in my younger years, you would often see groups of eastern European men come in, blow 500 quid in a short space of time, go and get some more, lose again. Get some more, win a load and cash the chips.

I'd always wonder where people get so much money from. Nobody at the casino really asks. They are turning money over.

If you have income streams that you want to obfuscate (for a variety of reasons) then a football club is an excellent way to do it.

Usmanov's wealth I've seen as upwards of 18 billion, with significant access to liquidity. If he's involved we have to assume Skotch will be involved too (circa 6-8 billion). The 3 of them have official wealth of upwards of 25 billion officially. Goodness knows how much unnofficially.

I saw earlier on this thread, that Gazprom is heavily owned by the Russian state, but Usmanov owns shares and influence.

I am not stating this is my belief, but posing a question, but could it be possible that the Russian state is looking to acquire Cultural institutions in the west and potentially key property developments in England? To build a broader portfolio? To be able to exert influence etc?

If that were the aim, guys like Usmanov who are well ingratiated with a variety of individuals would be a pretty good way of doing it. Moshiri is particularly adept at the connections he has.

If Usmanov has an involvement in Everton, I would suggest that figures that go much beyond Usmanov may also be involved.

It could all be untrue of course. However if you look at our balance sheet, any orthodox reading would be we are in rather a lot of trouble, posting record losses. Hardly symptomatic of a club who can go and fork out a huge sum of money for a top manager and give him a bumper transfer kitty. So it suggests that those running the club are viewing it in a different dimension to this.

It's hard to believe a guy with a couple of billion to his name is happy to gamble all of his holdings on Everton in the manner the has.
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Wowzers!

I have never seen it quoted as high as that mate but very happy to take your word for it. Game changer isn’t the word for it.
 
Brisan123 said:
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Are we looking at matters a bit to simplistically. There is a new stadium in the offing in a prime location, Ancellotti comes in and see the club as a project. Is their a belief between Moshirir and Usmanov as seeing Everton as a club ripe for for getting to the top?

It seems to me that there is more to what is happening than meets the eye.
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It is all in the dots
Just a matter of which way you join them up
Everton football club is a means to an end and an ego trip as well
The fact that they get a chance to go one up on Kronke is a bonus.
Why did Usmanov meet Ancelotti when Arsenal were linked
@roydo .
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That is the euromillions question.
 

Charlie Sweet said:
I remember when I would play blackjack at casino's in my younger years, you would often see groups of eastern European men come in, blow 500 quid in a short space of time, go and get some more, lose again. Get some more, win a load and cash the chips.

I'd always wonder where people get so much money from. Nobody at the casino really asks. They are turning money over.

If you have income streams that you want to obfuscate (for a variety of reasons) then a football club is an excellent way to do it.

Usmanov's wealth I've seen as upwards of 18 billion, with significant access to liquidity. If he's involved we have to assume Skotch will be involved too (circa 6-8 billion). The 3 of them have official wealth of upwards of 25 billion officially. Goodness knows how much unnofficially.

I saw earlier on this thread, that Gazprom is heavily owned by the Russian state, but Usmanov owns shares and influence.

I am not stating this is my belief, but posing a question, but could it be possible that the Russian state is looking to acquire Cultural institutions in the west and potentially key property developments in England? To build a broader portfolio? To be able to exert influence etc?

If that were the aim, guys like Usmanov who are well ingratiated with a variety of individuals would be a pretty good way of doing it. Moshiri is particularly adept at the connections he has.

If Usmanov has an involvement in Everton, I would suggest that figures that go much beyond Usmanov may also be involved.

It could all be untrue of course. However if you look at our balance sheet, any orthodox reading would be we are in rather a lot of trouble, posting record losses. Hardly symptomatic of a club who can go and fork out a huge sum of money for a top manager and give him a bumper transfer kitty. So it suggests that those running the club are viewing it in a different dimension to this.

It's hard to believe a guy with a couple of billion to his name is happy to gamble all of his holdings on Everton in the manner the has.
Click to expand...

Our new stadium cannot really be considered a "key property development in England"!
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A starter for ten?
 
Some folk may not remember but going back a bit to the First Division, Everton FC were known throughout as the Mersey Millionaires.

Now wonder what our new name maybe??????????
 

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