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GwladysPhil said:
Your IQ just broke my iPad.

Such a patronising and unfounded reply, I'm not even going to dignify you with a response that puts your economic bs to bed.

I bet you vote Tory so hard you snap the pencil.
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To be fair, if he can't see the opportunity then my sympathy is with him as he'll never realise the full benefits of his extensive property qualifications.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
And your property qualifications are what exactly?

Ignore the stadium aspect of the scheme - that's a vanity investment model founded on the premier league's wealth.

As for the rest of it? Apartments will be worth a fraction of those in the Albert Dock. They'll make a bit of money but not much.

Offices - zilch. They'd be worth less than the cost of the bricks.

Retail - goosed and city is already over-supplied.

Bars/restaurants - will it work beyond matchdays? Personally I think it's too far from the main drinking circuits.

As a fan the stadium will be great but calling it one of the country's biggest property projects is nonsensical.
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its a £5.5bn development over 40 years.

it’s literally one of the biggest developments in the world
 
Tipp blue said:
5.5 billion over 40 years isn't that big of a development.. the new children's hospital in Dublin is costing almost 2 billion alone.
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it isn’t a big development?? Ok mert, rejuvenating the northern docks, bring derelict buildings into use and improving transport infrastructure for the city, creating tens of thousands of jobs, housing and giving Liverpool a high quality grade A offices which the city is vastly missing and losing investment.

but yeah, it’s not big
 
Charlie Sweet said:
And your property qualifications are what exactly?

Ignore the stadium aspect of the scheme - that's a vanity investment model founded on the premier league's wealth.

As for the rest of it? Apartments will be worth a fraction of those in the Albert Dock. They'll make a bit of money but not much.

Offices - zilch. They'd be worth less than the cost of the bricks.

Retail - goosed and city is already over-supplied.

Bars/restaurants - will it work beyond matchdays? Personally I think it's too far from the main drinking circuits.

As a fan the stadium will be great but calling it one of the country's biggest property projects is nonsensical.
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I think you have to see the bigger picture in this mate.

In isolation, perhaps each of the above are underwhelming. I would point out though, a bunch of offices a short distance up the road have just been sold for millions of pounds but we can park that.

I spoke to a fella a few weeks back who'd bought a tenement block in Edinburgh when they are dilapidated and he's already made millions out of them. As gentrification hits that will sky rocket further. It's a similar thing. If they can build a space, were there is a hub of activity apartment prices will rise substantially. There were probably similar conversations happening with spaces like Canary wharf 20 years ago.

The overall project in that area is costed as being worth multi-billions already. If things work out this estimate will be scaled upwards as will the value of the assets bought.

I am not sure if you live in the city (I don't) but I brought friends to the city a while back and while the enjoyed a night out they were a little surprised the city centre is not bigger. It's about 2 miles north of the city centre, but there are already developments going up in and around, such as the 10 streets project? 2 miles is not that big a space, it may seem a lot currently, but with the inward investment that will come it soon seem far more connected.

In the original post I made though, you have to look at this not just in terms of a short term profit loss game. I suspect they are after influence and a more long term outlook in terms of money coming back in. It's why I suspect figures within the Russian and even Chinese state may have some interest in whats occurring.

If as I suspect may happen the space between the Echo arena and where out new ground is becomes heavily gentrified and attracts even greater number of tourists and companies to open offices (alongside potentially greater amount of trade passing through the docks post Brexit) it's a strategically viable project. Where you have influence you have a degree of power. This is what motivates states and individuals.
 

catcherintherye said:
I think you have to see the bigger picture in this mate.

In isolation, perhaps each of the above are underwhelming. I would point out though, a bunch of offices a short distance up the road have just been sold for millions of pounds but we can park that.

I spoke to a fella a few weeks back who'd bought a tenement block in Edinburgh when they are dilapidated and he's already made millions out of them. As gentrification hits that will sky rocket further. It's a similar thing. If they can build a space, were there is a hub of activity apartment prices will rise substantially. There were probably similar conversations happening with spaces like Canary wharf 20 years ago.

The overall project in that area is costed as being worth multi-billions already. If things work out this estimate will be scaled upwards as will the value of the assets bought.

I am not sure if you live in the city (I don't) but I brought friends to the city a while back and while the enjoyed a night out they were a little surprised the city centre is not bigger. It's about 2 miles north of the city centre, but there are already developments going up in and around, such as the 10 streets project? 2 miles is not that big a space, it may seem a lot currently, but with the inward investment that will come it soon seem far more connected.

In the original post I made though, you have to look at this not just in terms of a short term profit loss game. I suspect they are after influence and a more long term outlook in terms of money coming back in. It's why I suspect figures within the Russian and even Chinese state may have some interest in whats occurring.

If as I suspect may happen the space between the Echo arena and where out new ground is becomes heavily gentrified and attracts even greater number of tourists and companies to open offices (alongside potentially greater amount of trade passing through the docks post Brexit) it's a strategically viable project. Where you have influence you have a degree of power. This is what motivates states and individuals.
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Some good points, but trade will not increase in Liverpool post Brexit
 
Charlie Sweet said:
And your property qualifications are what exactly?

Ignore the stadium aspect of the scheme - that's a vanity investment model founded on the premier league's wealth.

As for the rest of it? Apartments will be worth a fraction of those in the Albert Dock. They'll make a bit of money but not much.

Offices - zilch. They'd be worth less than the cost of the bricks.

Retail - goosed and city is already over-supplied.

Bars/restaurants - will it work beyond matchdays? Personally I think it's too far from the main drinking circuits.

As a fan the stadium will be great but calling it one of the country's biggest property projects is nonsensical.
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That is your opinion but not a fact.

The city will continue to evolve and change.
When the full development all the way to BMD has been completed who knows what dynamic it will create.
 

Charlie Sweet said:
And your property qualifications are what exactly?

Ignore the stadium aspect of the scheme - that's a vanity investment model founded on the premier league's wealth.

As for the rest of it? Apartments will be worth a fraction of those in the Albert Dock. They'll make a bit of money but not much.

Offices - zilch. They'd be worth less than the cost of the bricks.

Retail - goosed and city is already over-supplied.

Bars/restaurants - will it work beyond matchdays? Personally I think it's too far from the main drinking circuits.

As a fan the stadium will be great but calling it one of the country's biggest property projects is nonsensical.
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Charlie SWEAT more like!!!
 
Tipp blue said:
5.5 billion over 40 years isn't that big of a development.. the new children's hospital in Dublin is costing almost 2 billion alone.
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The Children's hospital is running massively over budget...almost double and when it is completed it will change that part of the city completely.
The figure given for the development in Liverpool is indicative only the real cost as in Dublin will probably be more than double.
 
Is Duncan Castles sourced?

Speaking on Reach plc’s Transfer Window Podcast this week, journalist Duncan Castles said: “When Ancelotti was discussing the role with Everton, he obviously asked about transfer budget and was told ‘we have money, and we’re willing to spend’.

“So he comes into this job with an assurance from the owners - and remember they are backed by Alisher Usmanov’s cash, and he is one of the richest individuals in Russia - that the squad he inherits isn’t one he has to work with indefinitely, they’re prepared to put more money into this project and I think they want to use Carlo Ancelotti as a hook to get a better class of player into the club.”
 

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