Usmanov

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Funniest thing ive ever read.



Just watching this, it explains it perfectly for those who lack a clue.

All you really need to know is that FFP was brought in because the big clubs at the time didn't want other clubs crashing the party, simple as that, I'd imagine that the whole FFP idea would crumble under a well designed challenge via the courts. Wouldn't be allowed in any other area of business and if you get down to international law it's very likely illegal, it's basically designed to keep the big boys at the top, united throwing a tantrum when city came into money.

 

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Difference with us and citeh is that when they got their money they had no one but Utd and Chelsea who could compete with them financially.

When they threw big deals on the table for players like Lescott, Adebayor clubs like us and Arsenal couldnt say no.

Nowadays with the TV deals clubs like Leicester can hold out for bloody world record fees for average defenders like Maguire.
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I think we never got to comparable values of investment with players. They broke transfer and wage records, getting Kun, Silva, Traore, etc etc into the club. Was that clever business, those fees look less to nothing now and a lot of those players are still there contributing via a shed load trophies and revenue created for the club.

Comparably we went to Swansea, Palace, Watford and the second teams at Barca, Utd and Arsenal to make our high profile signings.

Anyone who thinks we are doing or will do what City and Chelsa did are fooling themselves. No comparison in my opinion. Both on the level of investment in relative terms and the competency of those making decisions.

They also better managed their investment in terms of competency of owners, structures and their boards in recruitment of managers and players.

We spent to get worst. I just dont think its a fair comparison and i dont see us going from this to what City or Chelsea continued to do in say year three of their cycles.

We tried maybe to do a diet version, maybe year 1 and 2, that didnt work and was badly managed.

I honestly dont think anyone can look at the club over the last four years and say all we did was necessary its a manure show.

We havent been unlucky we have been incompetent.

 

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Difference with us and citeh is that when they got their money they had no one but Utd and Chelsea who could compete with them financially.

When they threw big deals on the table for players like Lescott, Adebayor clubs like us and Arsenal couldnt say no.

Nowadays with the TV deals clubs like Leicester can hold out for bloody world record fees for average defenders like Maguire.

I think we never got to comparable values of investment with players. They broke transfer and wage records, getting Kun, Silva, Traore, etc etc into the club. Was that clever business, those fees look less to nothing now and a lot of those players are still there contributing via a shed load trophies and revenue created for the club.

Comparably we went to Swansea, Palace, Watford and the second teams at Barca, Utd and Arsenal to make our high profile signings.

Anyone who thinks we are doing or will do what City and Chelsa did are fooling themselves. No comparison in my opinion. Both on the level of ivestment and the competency of those making decisions.

They also better managed their investment in terms of competency of owners, structures and their boards in recruitment of managers and players.

We spent to get worst. I just dont think its a fair comparison and i dont see us going from this to what City or Chelsea continued to do in say year three of their cycles.

We tried maybe to do a diet version, maybe year 1 and 2, that didnt work and was badly managed.

I honestly dont think anyone can look at the club over the last four years and say all we did was necessary its a manure show.
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Oh I agree - however I always compare Moshiri to Citys Shinawatra years.

I think should Usmanov come on board officially or he pump in a big sponsership deal on the stadium which gives us that game changing revenue boost as we require - we will start to push on with Ancelotti at the helm.

 

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I am amazed that lads on here are trying to second guess the past present and future actions of 2 or 3 multi billionaires.
These lads didn’t find the money in the back garden
They earned with the brains their foresight and I’d say a fair bit of creative accounting.
Usmanov gives 15% of Arsenal to Moshiri for nothing yes nothing
2 yanks come sniffing around Goodson
Usmanov BUYS Moshiri shares in Arsenal for cold hard cash
Moshiri invests in Everton.
These lads had / have a plan and I’d be amazed if any of us 39hr a week PAYE earners know any more than what’s obvious.
These lads don’t say hello unless there is a motive behind it.
Usmanov did not give the interview to the FT for a Caesar salad and a cheap bottle of whiskey.
There was a reason and a plan behind the interview as there is with everything they do
A few bumps and a couple of hundred million here or there won’t upset these lads.
Moshiri wanted Brands from day 1 and eventually got him
Moshiri wanted Ancelotti after Koeman and eventually got him.
These lads have plans A, B and C and it’s pointless trying to second guess them.
One thing I’m sure of is they will eventually make money of this deal one way or the other plus boost their egos and probably shove 2 fingers up to Kroenke

 

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I think we never got to comparable values of investment with players. They broke transfer and wage records, getting Kun, Silva, Traore, etc etc into the club. Was that clever business, those fees look less to nothing now and a lot of those players are still there contributing via a shed load trophies and revenue created for the club.

Comparably we went to Swansea, Palace, Watford and the second teams at Barca, Utd and Arsenal to make our high profile signings.

Anyone who thinks we are doing or will do what City and Chelsa did are fooling themselves. No comparison in my opinion. Both on the level of ivestment and the competency of those making decisions.

They also better managed their investment in terms of competency of owners, structures and their boards in recruitment of managers and players.

We spent to get worst. I just dont think its a fair comparison and i dont see us going from this to what City or Chelsea continued to do in say year three of their cycles.

We tried maybe to do a diet version, maybe year 1 and 2, that didnt work and was badly managed.

I honestly dont think anyone can look at the club over the last four years and say all we did was necessary its a manure show.

Oh I agree - however I always compare Moshiri to Citys Shinawatra years.

I think should Usmanov come on board officially or he pump in a big sponsership deal on the stadium which gives us that game changing revenue boost as we require - we will start to push on with Ancelotti at the helm.
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I did to for a while to be honest mate, if everyone is being honest, from Niasse, Schnderlin, Klassen, Gylfi Iwobi - everyone of us were excited by these signings. I wanted to believe we were doing a City and Chelsea. They've all proved bad decisions and incompetent recruitment and managing of the club top to bottom.

The red flag for me was selling Lukaku, just didnt sit right and the ease of the move and void it created i thought would be huge and its proved to be. You dont do that if you have City and Chelsea scales of ambition. The club has unraveled and made pretty bad decisions from that moment onward on nearly every front.

I think we are in a sticky wicket myself mate, even if Usminov is in the background there are only two ways to get money into the club, 1) Player trading 2) Commercial deals, until the new ground happens.

Progress if any is going to based on 150% better decisions in management, recruitment (player trading) and from the board down, then we have seen in the last four years.

I dont see a white knight saving us, not because there isnt a tenuous involvement, more on its not easy just to drop money into a club and walk away the way CIty used to.

 

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Right I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about this. I seriously didn't think he was involved much apart from his company sponsoring finch farm but looks like he has a lot more influence than was previously let on.
I don’t think it’s a case of Moshiri allowing him to come onboard
Usmanov will decide weather he comes onboard officially or not.
This is all just posturing and trying to give the impression that Moshiri is in charge
I just hope that Moshiri and Bill allow him to come onboard officially and we can finally start making real headway rather than having one false dawn after another.

We now have the right manager so let's get the structure in place to support him and give him the resources to invest correctly and build this team into a top 4 club and beyond.

 

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We won’t find out financing for the stadium till PP is granted which could take 9 months(as it did with the Echo ArenA)

The echo arena used white envelopes
Ours will be a darker shade

 

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I am amazed that lads on here are trying to second guess the past present and future actions of 2 or 3 multi billionaires.
These lads didn’t find the money in the back garden
They earned with the brains their foresight and I’d say a fair bit of creative accounting.
Usmanov gives 15% of Arsenal to Moshiri for nothing yes nothing
2 yanks come sniffing around Goodson
Usmanov BUYS Moshiri shares in Arsenal for cold hard cash
Moshiri invests in Everton.
These lads had / have a plan and I’d be amazed if any of us 39hr a week PAYE earners know any more than what’s obvious.
These lads don’t say hello unless there is a motive behind it.
Usmanov did not give the interview to the FT for a Caesar salad and a cheap bottle of whiskey.
There was a reason and a plan behind the interview as there is with everything they do
A few bumps and a couple of hundred million here or there won’t upset these lads.
Moshiri wanted Brands from day 1 and eventually got him
Moshiri wanted Ancelotti after Koeman and eventually got him.
These lads have plans A, B and C and it’s pointless trying to second guess them.
One thing I’m sure of is they will eventually make money of this deal one way or the other plus boost their egos and probably shove 2 fingers up to Kroenke

What do you think the motivation was behind Usminov interview mate? Genuinely interested and not knocking you points.

My first reaction was FFS, thats another 10 mill on top anyone we will try and sign in Jan and the Summer, seemed like a poorly timed interview on investment, heading into the start of a transfer window.

Sky. S now have it a s banner on their website.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Oh I agree - however I always compare Moshiri to Citys Shinawatra years.

I think should Usmanov come on board officially or he pump in a big sponsership deal on the stadium which gives us that game changing revenue boost as we require - we will start to push on with Ancelotti at the helm.

I did to for a while to be honest mate, if everyone is being honest, from Niasse, Schnderlin, Klassen, Gylfi Iwobi - everyone of us were excited by these signings. I wanted to believe we were doing a City and Chelsea. They've all proved bad decisions and incompetent recruitment and managing of the club top to bottom.

The red flag for me was selling Lukaku, just didnt sit right and the ease of the move and void it created i thought would be huge and its proved to be. You dont do that if you have City and Chelsea scales of ambition. The club has unraveled and made pretty bad decisions from that moment onward on nearly every front.

I think we are in a sticky wicket myself mate, even if Usminov is in the background there are only two ways to get money into the club, 1) Player trading 2) Commercial deals, until the new ground happens.

Progress if any is going to based on 150% better decisions in management, recruitment (player trading) and from the board down, then we have seen in the last four years.

I dont see a white knight saving us, not because there isnt a tenuous involvement, more on its not easy just to drop money into a club and walk away the way CIty used to.
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Im honestly not concerned mate - when Lerner / Short / Ecclestone etc blew their loads they gave up investing/ sold up. Moshiri has continued to purchase shares and is steaming ahead with the Stadium plans - doesnt come across like we are in dire straits.

I personally think Usmanov is involved already and they have plans for the club long term - once PP is hopefully granted I think we'll start to find out more.

 

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My personal opinion based on nothing more than a hunch and the famous series of dots.
Usmanov is and always was the power behind Moshiri’s throne
Usmanov gave him the money to buy Everton
Moshiri works for Usmanov and the pair trust each other totally.
By doing the interview Usmanov is trying to give the impression that Moshiri is the main man at Everton and that he has to be asked to come onboard and help out
Allardyce mentioned Usmanov before , Ancellotti met with Usmanov before signing for us and I’d say he was given certain guarantees on squad building.
Usmanov was and is the driving force behind Everton.
His stake in Arsenal stopped him making it official.
The new stadium and the buying of the Liver building put LW in the frame for USM to invest heavily in the docks and I would not be shocked if USM and peel had an understanding on certain developments on the docks
Usmanovs stepson was a major property developer in Moscow.
All just theory and speculation but it all depends on what way you join up @roydo dots

 

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I did to for a while to be honest mate, if everyone is being honest, from Niasse, Schnderlin, Klassen, Gylfi Iwobi - everyone of us were excited by these signings. I wanted to believe we were doing a City and Chelsea. They've all proved bad decisions and incompetent recruitment and managing of the club top to bottom.

The red flag for me was selling Lukaku, just didnt sit right and the ease of the move and void it created i thought would be huge and its proved to be. You dont do that if you have City and Chelsea scales of ambition. The club has unraveled and made pretty bad decisions from that moment onward on nearly every front.

I think we are in a sticky wicket myself mate, even if Usminov is in the background there are only two ways to get money into the club, 1) Player trading 2) Commercial deals, until the new ground happens.

Progress if any is going to based on 150% better decisions in management, recruitment (player trading) and from the board down, then we have seen in the last four years.

I dont see a white knight saving us, not because there isnt a tenuous involvement, more on its not easy just to drop money into a club and walk away the way CIty used to.

Im honestly not concerned mate - when Lerner / Short / Ecclestone etc blew their loads they gave up investing/ sold up. Moshiri has continued to purchase shares and is steaming ahead with the Stadium plans - doesnt come across like we are in dire straits.

I personally think Usmanov is involved already and they have plans for the club long term - once PP is hopefully granted I think we'll start to find out more.
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Im concerned enough to be honest mate, at best we have got our selves in a sticky financial wicket that is going to take two - three years and good management to get us out of. Havent been hugely encouraged in the competency of those steering the ship at the club to achieve that on what we have seen so far.

Its an interesting question, what is worse spending no money and stagnating and falling behind, or making huge losses, accumulating debt in spending and stagnating and falling behind? Thats at the door of the last two club regimes.

I do think the new ground might be a guiding light in terms of club development, not in the short term but in future proofing the club, so if it comes off ill praise the regime on that score, once i have a look at the funding model.

 

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What do you think the motivation was behind Usminov interview mate? Genuinely interested and not knocking you points.

My first reaction was FFS, thats another 10 mill on top anyone we will try and sign in Jan and the Summer, seemed like a poorly timed interview on investment, heading into the start of a transfer window.

Sky. S now have it a s banner on their website.

Property regeneration play over next decade plus in north docks? Plus the impending (possibly within next 1-2 years) arrival of Amazon, Netflix or Disney live streaming all games globally. With a new build stadium, we have the opportunity to design a stadium with whatever features such broadcasting requirements need (VR being likely over next few years too), much as Spurs have just done.
Ultimately, Money.

 

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Property regeneration play over next decade plus in north docks? Plus the impending (possibly within next 1-2 years) arrival of Amazon, Netflix or Disney live streaming all games globally. With a new build stadium, we have the opportunity to design a stadium with whatever features such broadcasting requirements need (VR being likely over next few years too), much as Spurs have just done.
Ultimately, Money.

You think the lads will buy up property along the north docks and cash in? The broadcasting bit will be universal so will impact the other 19 clubs. No harm to have exposure in investment though.

Ultimately to make a return Moshiri or whoever has to increase the value of the club, the ground is a good way of doing that. There comes a poiint though where the juice might not be worth the squeeze, hes thrown significant cash beyond his purchase price into the club and may as well have wallpapered his jacks with a lot of it in terms of the value of the investment.

Its the site at Goodsion im keeping an eye on, i think many have just ignored it of the back of the shiny new ground, but they look ambitious plans on what i have seen and am curious about them as a revenue source or part of the new ground funding model.

P.S. Up The Dubs.

 

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Its the site at Goodsion im keeping an eye on, i think many have just ignired it but they look ambitious plans on what i have seen and am curious about them as a revenue source or part of the new ground funding model.

P.S. Up The Dubs.

Do we yet know what their plans are for GP? The images shown are a little abstract at this point. From a commercial angle, all due respect, the area is not doing very well (particularly on non match days) so not clear what type business might thrive there? And if it were a residential development, would it command much value?

 

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Do we yet know what their plans are for GP? The images shown are a little abstract at this point. From a commercial angle, all due respect, the area is not doing very well (particularly on non match days) so not clear what type business might thrive there? And if it were a residential development, would it command much value?

They are the big questions on my mind and i dont know the answer at the moment moment. Seems to me the club wouldn't be going to such a scale without a little honey there. Why not just plonk a park on it or something low cost. Certainly we arent in a financial position to develop the site out of good will, without it being worthwhile to us financially.

The seemingly ongoing close ties with Liverpool City Council makes me think this might be a joint project, with the council investing and contributing financially to the development in a mixed hybrid regeneration, social amenity investment point of view in L4 and us as part the development selling maybe private business space and residential units, maybe even getting money for the land and footprint from the council.

That is my suspicion anyway, but im speculating - i dont really know. But its something i am keeping an eye on and can see a natural partnership there with mutual benefit that could be a source of revenue for the club. I dont see us giving away the site or developing it to such a scale without a return.

The full details behind Everton's Goodison Park legacy project

Everton released the designs for their proposed new Bramley-Moore dock stadium on Thursday evening

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