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Vaping - Popcorn Lung

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The Cowboy said:
Never heard of anyone being addicted to coffee, and 'struggling to pack the nescafe in'. Nicotine is associated with a range of serious health conditions. Worst caffeine causes is a bit of a tummy ache if you drink too much coffee.
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It is the way you deliver it that is the difference. People can be addicted to caffene as much as nicotine, hell that cup of coffee someone has to have in the morning to wake up? that's addicition.

This one has some truth to it, depending on what you mean by "addictive." Caffeine is a stimulant to the central nervous system, and regular use of caffeine does cause mild physical dependence. Butcaffeine doesn't threaten your physical, social, or economic health the way addictive drugs do.
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that is from google. Caffene is just as addictive, but without the bad stuff cigarettes contain it isn't viewed the same way.
 
chicoazul said:
There's a vaping community?

Does that community have a name? Like "Speke" or " Skelmersdale".

I bet that the uniform in this community is Donnay.
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No mate, not everyone lives the life you do.

Vaping community as in people who use E Cigs, not an actual community. Means the news broke to people who would care about it first, not on sky news until 8 months later, as the source moomin provided proves :)
 
Ashtonian said:
No mate, not everyone lives the life you do.

Vaping community as in people who use E Cigs, not an actual community. Means the news broke to people who would care about it first, not on sky news until 8 months later, as the source moomin provided proves :)
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I respect your point sir but vaping is for skanky tramps who are nothing more than Marlboro snobs.
 

Ashtonian said:
It is the way you deliver it that is the difference. People can be addicted to caffene as much as nicotine, hell that cup of coffee someone has to have in the morning to wake up? that's addicition.



that is from google. Caffene is just as addictive, but without the bad stuff cigarettes contain it isn't viewed the same way.
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That Google quote barely agrees with your assertion. It suggests a mild dependency, not an addiction. I enjoy a coffee every morning, but do I crave it the moment I wake? Of course not.

Nicotine is a chemical, and causes chemical reactions, completely and utterly independent from the effects of the delivery method. You can't claim its the tobacco that's the only baddie here. That's just not true.
 
The Cowboy said:
That Google quote barely agrees with your assertion. It suggests a mild dependency, not an addiction. I enjoy a coffee every morning, but do I crave it the moment I wake? Of course not.

Nicotine is a chemical, and causes chemical reactions, completely and utterly independent from the effects of the delivery method. You can't claim its the tobacco that's the only baddie here. That's just not true.
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The quote was from Webmd, whether that makes it credible or not, no idea.

point is caffene dependency is a real thing and many people are under the influence despite what you might think. why do you drink that cup of coffee after you wake up then? you don't crave it but drink it every day almost?
 
Ashtonian said:
The quote was from Webmd, whether that makes it credible or not, no idea.

point is caffene dependency is a real thing and many people are under the influence despite what you might think. why do you drink that cup of coffee after you wake up then? you don't crave it but drink it every day almost?
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Because I bloody love the stuff, and I associate it with the start of the day. I know it is a stimulant, but if we ran out of coffee, I just wouldn't have one. It's no big deal.
 
The Cowboy said:
Because I bloody love the stuff, and I associate it with the start of the day. I know it is a stimulant, but if we ran out of coffee, I just wouldn't have one. It's no big deal.
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Exactly, you asscoiate it with that. It is addiciton, just a mild form of it.

I never sat round craving a ciggy either. Could happily sit and not smoke for hours on end if the situation arose. If i didn't have one when i woke up, or when i went on my lunch etc i did crave one, because i associated it with doing them things. Didn't make me any less addicted for that, but thats the point, you call it addiction for one and non addictive the other for the same symptom?

since i started vaping, i have no routine, i dont associate vaping with anything, no longer need that hit in the morning, could go hours without even touching it and i have no negative effects, but yet it is still nicotine i am vaping when i do.
 

Ashtonian said:
To be honest over time it decreases.

Take yesterday for example, hardly used it in the morning, little bit on dinner, then hardly at home because i was watching a film with the family next to my son, then was making liquids finally, then watched the tv.

all in all i hardly vaped, but it constantly wasn't in my hand either. the nic levels are much lower as well, .
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Some products have less. Others have higher nicotine levels. There is also the question (not yet answered) if the relative perceived safety compared to cigarettes increases use, therefore increasing overall nicotine exposure.

Your personal experience of e-cigs decreasing nicotine exposure is great, but it is anecdotal evidence and can't be generalized to all or even most users.
 
Both caffeine and nicotine are addictive chemicals. How dangerous they are will be dependent on the dose of the given substance. It is easier to get higher levels of nicotine compared to caffeine largely because of the most common delivery methods of the two substances.

Delivery method matters in addiction. Inhalation provides a quick rush/high that oral ingestion can not duplicate. Hence the reason people crush tablets and snort instead of swallowing. That quick rush is highly addictive.
 
RAFUH said:
Some products have less. Others have higher nicotine levels. There is also the question (not yet answered) if the relative perceived safety compared to cigarettes increases use, therefore increasing overall nicotine exposure.

Your personal experience of e-cigs decreasing nicotine exposure is great, but it is anecdotal evidence and can't be generalized to all or even most users.
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In most cases, the nicotine levels drop to non existent levels eventually. Or decrease use in the more casual users. My nic level in 18 months has dropped down to 3mg from 12mg, generally people drop from 16mg to 6mg or less. this is in a lot of cases, not just solely one or two examples.

But in a general sense to answer your question about the increase in use, this is the science behind it. Smoking a cigarette gives you 1mg of nicotine, which is designed in a way to get to your brain in seconds. This is why a cigarette is enjoyed so much, the quick hit of the nicotine. E cigs are different, a bottle of liquid at say 12mg isnt going to deliver 12mg in each hit, nor in each tank. the totle about of liquid will accumulate to 12 mg nicotine, but if that whole bottle is vaped over the time span of a week, then that is 12mg in a week, not several quick hits a day.

So the actual nicotine consumption is greatly decreased for anyone not vaping at the top end of the liquid, granted 18mg nicotine (which is for fresh quitters) is the only time you are getting a similar hit in a tank (not draw) of a cigarette. so dropping the level down, the amount of nicotine you are taking in compared to a cigareete has a massive difference, and therefore the consumption of the nicotine is much smaller.

there is also science to do with the lungs but that's not connected to the above.
 

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