Vaping - Popcorn Lung

[ijjysmith]

Hi

The NHS is already backing research in this country that proves that it is as dangerous as inhaling fresh air.

the problem with a lot of stories like this is the simple, in who's interests are they for? Who pays for research? What are the results meant to be showing? For example i read one the other month that was worded negatively to vaping, but compare it to smoking and the results were negilible. Hell the title of this thread is misleading because there is more of the stuff in a cigarette than in any liquid and smokers never get popcorn lung.

Hi

 

[Bungle]

 

[carlos21]

 

[barneygumble]

This is the worst fashion statement of the lot . The last decade has seen some terrible inventions

Social media

E cigs

Legal highs ( get a bag of lemo you scruff)

Ket wigs

Reality tv shows like towie

Bearded hipster beauts

Men wearing skinny jeans ( file under hipster beaut)

The tattoo industry boom . Birds covered in tattoos is a bad shame.

Bring back the 90s but without Walter smith.

The obsession with going to 'fezzies' and making sure the whole world knows about it . I'm not arsed mate

Don't knock it til you've tried it!

 

[jayden28]

Tobacco companies are shitting themselves because of how popular e cigs have become and it's only gonna get worse for them come may 2017 when you can no longer buy a pack of 10 cigs,it's going to be a pack of 20 for £10! and tobacco pouches are going to come in packs of 30g at a cost of almost £20,no more 9g and 15g pouches,there's gonna be alot more bad press for e cigs in the coming year.

 

[carlos21]

Tobacco companies are shitting themselves because of how popular e cigs have become and it's only gonna get worse for them come may 2017 when you can no longer buy a pack of 10 cigs,it's going to be a pack of 20 for £10! and tobacco pouches are going to come in packs of 30g at a cost of almost £20,no more 9g and 15g pouches,there's gonna be alot more bad press for e cigs in the coming year.

I agree with that point there mate.

 

[l4toffee]

What dog you mate,

Cavalier King Charles spaniel mate

 

[Ashtonian]

http://www.cocktailnerd.com/mayo-clinic-reveals-results-of-a-ground-breaking-new-ecig-experiment/

When it comes to medical research, there is no other hospital in the United States more respected than Mayo Clinic. When the doctors at Mayo release new information, the world listens because they know this hospital is trustworthy and on the cutting edge of medical research. Recently, the Mayo Clinic released results from their latest experiment in smoking cessation. After noting that smokers face far higher risks of complications following surgery, researchers decided to offer patients “electronic nicotine delivery devices” both before and after their surgeries. The goal was to see if the ecigs could help patients successfully reduce tobacco consumption or eliminate cigarette use altogether.

Smokers who were facing upcoming elective surgeries were provided with the “electronic nicotine delivery” devices and encouraged to use them anytime they got a craving for a cigarette. Researchers kept records of their tobacco consumption and behavioral changes while using the ecigs and followed up 30-days later to see if there had been any significant change.

At the time of follow up, the Mayo Clinic team found that 17 percent had already completely quit smoking. Another 51 percent said they intended to continue using the devices in the future. Most remarkably, cigarette consumption was drastically reduced after patients had access to ecigarettes. “Average cigarette consumption decreased from 15.6 per person to 7.6 over the study period,” the study concluded. Ultimately, researchers said that ecig “use is feasible and well-accepted in surgical patients.”

This is the first time we’ve seen a prestigious hospital praise ecigarettes for their potential to help smokers. Now that Mayo Clinic took the leap, it’s safe to say that other doctors might feel more confident to recommend ecigarettes to their patients, especially those facing surgery. The medical community is well aware that other nicotine replacement therapies just aren’t that effective, but all signs show that ecigs can work and actually make a remarkable difference in a relatively short period of time.

Do you think other doctors will be more accepting of ecigarettes since the Mayo Clinic had such good results? Could this change the public perception of ecigs in the United States?

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Another positive report

 

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[Ashtonian]

they are mate.

when you buy some dodgy poorly made crap.

Or an idiot who doesn't know what they are doing with it.

Other than that, you will probably be explosion free.

 

[RAFUH]

http://www.cocktailnerd.com/mayo-clinic-reveals-results-of-a-ground-breaking-new-ecig-experiment/


Another positive report

I tried to not reply and failed miserably...

Sources matter.
Link to the actual published article from the researchers.
http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/01/31/ntr.ntw003.full.pdf

I would say it was neutral, hardly ground breaking.

This was a short term pilot observational study over a couple weeks for use of e-cigs at home in place cigarettes pre and post elective surgery.

Smoking is known to cause surgical complications and slow wound healing. All smokers are told to not smoke around the time of surgery for this reason. Adherence to the recommendation is notoriously poor.

This study was to evaluate whether using e-cigs was feasible and if patients would accept it. It was well-accepted by patients.
*snark alert* Surprise, smokers liked free nicotine replacement to use before and after surgery when told smoking causes surgical complications.

They do suggest given that the pilot shows acceptance, the next potential step would be to see if using e-cigs in place of cigarettes to reduce surgery complications actually has any benefit and no additional harms. That is the data that matters and would potentially change my stance.

They did not praise e-cigs nor advocate for their use as smoking cessation products or nicotine replacement even in the setting they studied.

 

[Ashtonian]

I tried to not reply and failed miserably...

Sources matter.
Link to the actual published article from the researchers.
http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/01/31/ntr.ntw003.full.pdf

I would say it was neutral, hardly ground breaking.

This was a short term pilot observational study over a couple weeks for use of e-cigs at home in place cigarettes pre and post elective surgery.

Smoking is known to cause surgical complications and slow wound healing. All smokers are told to not smoke around the time of surgery for this reason. Adherence to the recommendation is notoriously poor.

This study was to evaluate whether using e-cigs was feasible and if patients would accept it. It was well-accepted by patients.
*snark alert* Surprise, smokers liked free nicotine replacement to use before and after surgery when told smoking causes surgical complications.

They do suggest given that the pilot shows acceptance, the next potential step would be to see if using e-cigs to replace cigarettes to reduce surgery complications actually has any benefit and no additional harms. That is the data that matters and would potentially change my stance.

They did not praise e-cigs nor advocate for their use as smoking cessation products or nicotine replacement even in the setting they studied.

Haha I used the article less as a study piece, more as a credible source much like the nhs here in the UK (your from Texas aren't you?) have the their weight behind them as well.

My point was just for something still perceived as potentially dangerous in some minds, a lot of people and names are backing it and potentially stand to lose a lot of credibility if the whole issue turns out to go tits up

 

[RAFUH]

Haha I used the article less as a study piece, more as a credible source much like the nhs here in the UK (your from Texas aren't you?) have the their weight behind them as well.

My point was just for something still perceived as potentially dangerous in some minds, a lot of people and names are backing it and potentially stand to lose a lot of credibility if the whole issue turns out to go tits up

The Mayo clinic as an institution does not recommend use of e-cigs. They actually recommend against if you look at their patient materials. These were researchers who happen to work at Mayo looking for answers.

I don't think we are on opposite ends.

IMO....At this point, e-cigs seem to be less harmful than cigarettes. I don't think we can say e-cigs are harmless or safe to use. Product variability is a concern as well as you noted.

 

[Ashtonian]

The Mayo clinic as an institution does not recommend use of e-cigs. They actually recommend against if you look at their patient materials. These were researchers who happen to work at Mayo looking for answers.

I don't think we are on opposite ends.

IMO....At this point, e-cigs seem to be less harmful than cigarettes. I don't think we can say e-cigs are harmless or safe to use. Product variability is a concern as well as you noted.

See they aren't harmless in the conventional sense no, inhaling anything is worse than not doing so. Its all about cause and effect though, smoking causes that long list of health issues so the cause of turning to vaping has the effect of producing much less negative effects.

They may find something in the future sure, at the current rate vaping industry won't last that long judging from the clamp down on advertising and promotion about to hit Europe alone. But my point is about vaping which I like to argue is it can't be worse than smoking, which is always a good thing.

 

[carlos21]

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Cavalier King Charles spaniel mate

Springer are boss.