Vaping - Popcorn Lung

[The Cowboy]

See they aren't harmless in the conventional sense no, inhaling anything is worse than not doing so. Its all about cause and effect though, smoking causes that long list of health issues so the cause of turning to vaping has the effect of producing much less negative effects.

They may find something in the future sure, at the current rate vaping industry won't last that long judging from the clamp down on advertising and promotion about to hit Europe alone. But my point is about vaping which I like to argue is it can't be worse than smoking, which is always a good thing.

But isn't that the point of this whole thread? If, as we are led to believe, ecigs are nothing more than water and nicotine, then yes, the elimination of tar and inhalation of smoke undoubtedly makes ecigs a healthier option. But there is still so much unknown about ecigs that there cannot be conclusive proof they are better for you. Who's to say that, in 20 years time, it transpires that some chemical element of ecig vapour has been doing massive damage, but due to their relative infancy, the effects are not manifesting right now?

 

[Ashtonian]

But isn't that the point of this whole thread? If, as we are led to believe, ecigs are nothing more than water and nicotine, then yes, the elimination of tar and inhalation of smoke undoubtedly makes ecigs a healthier option. But there is still so much unknown about ecigs that there cannot be conclusive proof they are better for you. Who's to say that, in 20 years time, it transpires that some chemical element of ecig vapour has been doing massive damage, but due to their relative infancy, the effects are not manifesting right now?

a lot is known though, they have been on the market for at least 5 years and still no effects that people keep scare mongering about are happening or being found, so it will take at least another 5 years to find what hasn't been found yet?

There may be something in there but it isnt cancer related, or lung related as there would be something by now that would be connected. Hell i have been vaping for 18 months or so and if anything, my health has drastically increased, no more coughing in the winter, lungs feel great when i run, immune system seems to have improved etc, that is all positive things.

YOu may be right about the effects yeah, we won't know until somewhere down the line about them, but when the former causes cancer / copd/ lung disease / enthezema/ many other horrible things, then for many people, they are happy to take the chance on vaping rather than continue with the known effects of smoking.

I mean i would still be smoking if i couldn't have taken vaping up.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Just thought I'd pop in and once again mention that my lung capacity has increased markedly since I gave up ciggies and went on the ecig.

I've noticed a considerable change for the better to my breathing. That said, as an aid to stopping smoking it hasn't worked a bit - the pen's hardly ever out of my mush...

 

[The Cowboy]

Just thought I'd pop in and once again mention that my lung capacity has increased markedly since I gave up ciggies and went on the ecig.

I've noticed a considerable change for the better to my breathing. That said, as an aid to stopping smoking it hasn't worked a bit - the pen's hardly ever out of my mush...

Same with the missus, I'd say her nicotine intake has increased substantially with ecigs, as its almost impossible to monitor your intake vs cigs.

 

[Ashtonian]

Same with the missus, I'd say her nicotine intake has increased substantially with ecigs, as its almost impossible to monitor your intake vs cigs.

To be honest over time it decreases.

Take yesterday for example, hardly used it in the morning, little bit on dinner, then hardly at home because i was watching a film with the family next to my son, then was making liquids finally, then watched the tv.

all in all i hardly vaped, but it constantly wasn't in my hand either. the nic levels are much lower as well, on average a ciggy is 18mg hit, whereas a lot of vapers are at about 6 or even down to 0 nicotine, and the way it is delivered it is not hitting 6mg every pull or anything, you would have to b vaping all day constantly at such a low amount to even match up a 10 ciggy habit.

 

[Moomin]

E Cigs are safer than cigarettes, what a great reason to vape.

Lads, it's safer to suck on cock.

* unzips

 

[jayden28]

8 cases of popcorn lung ever recorded and those 8 worked in a factory where they were exposed to High levels of powder diacetyl and considering cigs contain 100 times more diacetyl than e cigs and no smoker as ever had popcorn lung it's just laughable how for some tabbaco companies will go to scare people off,maybe it's got something to do with profits going down by 63% in the last 2 years.

 

[Tubey]

Same with the missus, I'd say her nicotine intake has increased substantially with ecigs, as its almost impossible to monitor your intake vs cigs.

That's a pretty fair trade to make IMO. I'd rather only increase nicotine intake and avoid at the very least 40+ cancer causing chemicals by not smoking personally.

 

[The Cowboy]

That's a pretty fair trade to make IMO. I'd rather only increase nicotine intake and avoid at the very least 40+ cancer causing chemicals by not smoking personally.

Yes, but I do wonder/worry about the psychological effects of nicotine intake. She's now consuming a lot more than before.

 

[Tubey]

Yes, but I do wonder/worry about the psychological effects of nicotine intake. She's now consuming a lot more than before.

Fair comment. I just think it's the lesser of two evils by some margin.

Think of it this way; ideally, nobody would smoke or vape. But for those who are hooked on smoking, surely vaping is the better alternative if they can't get away from the addiction totally?

OK, there may be longitudinal studies that conclude vaping has some harm, but I'd stick my neck out now and say that compared to traditional cigarettes that harm will be negligible.

I see vaping as a more effective version of a nicotine gum or patch myself. Both are effectively nicotine-only delivery systems; but vaping has the edge as it also substitutes the "hand to mouth" habit and to an extent the throat hit.

In summary, I don't see anything that stops someone reaching for a cigarette as a bad thing, and I certainly don't think vaping is a greater evil than it.

 

[Ashtonian]

8 cases of popcorn lung ever recorded and those 8 worked in a factory where they were exposed to High levels of powder diacetyl and considering cigs contain 100 times more diacetyl than e cigs and no smoker as ever had popcorn lung it's just laughable how for some tabbaco companies will go to scare people off,maybe it's got something to do with profits going down by 63% in the last 2 years.

haha the actual story the wums earlier on the thread failed to know was that the story of this popcorn lung broke 9 months ago, in the vaping community and everyone went out their way to remove said issue from their liquids. hell even the concentrates i use brought out new versions removing the stuff.

Any company found to have high levels of the stuff back in march/april have pretty much have their rep in tatters over it, one of them called 5 pawns is almost un sellable now due to the negative publicity.

E Cigs are safer than cigarettes, what a great reason to vape.

Lads, it's safer to suck on cock.

* unzips

Probably true in all cases apart from yours

That's a pretty fair trade to make IMO. I'd rather only increase nicotine intake and avoid at the very least 40+ cancer causing chemicals by not smoking personally.

exactly.

 

[Ashtonian]

Yes, but I do wonder/worry about the psychological effects of nicotine intake. She's now consuming a lot more than before.

no worse than caffene mate.

hell the odd glass of wine or whatever she drinks is probably a lot more damaging than nicotine. nicotine itself is not the devil, it is because you associate it with tobacco/carbon diox/monoxide, tar, carcegyns etc that the general point of view is that nicotine is dangerous. Psychological issues is a new one even for me though haha

 

[The Cowboy]

no worse than caffene mate.

hell the odd glass of wine or whatever she drinks is probably a lot more damaging than nicotine. nicotine itself is not the devil, it is because you associate it with tobacco/carbon diox/monoxide, tar, carcegyns etc that the general point of view is that nicotine is dangerous. Psychological issues is a new one even for me though haha

I think you need to do some reading on the effects of nicotine. It is far worse than caffeine.

And please don't laugh about it, whilst I accept I have not divulge any particulars, you must surely appreciate a highly addictive drug (and associated withdrawal symptoms) combined with other personal factors can have a strong psychological impact.

 

[Ashtonian]

I think you need to do some reading on the effects of nicotine. It is far worse than caffeine.

And please don't laugh about it, whilst I accept I have not divulge any particulars, you must surely appreciate a highly addictive drug (and associated withdrawal symptoms) combined with other personal factors can have a strong psychological impact.

as i said it would be a new one to think vaping or nicotine in general will cause any possible psychological effects.

http://news.sky.com/story/1534821/nicotine-no-worse-than-cup-of-coffee-report

so mate, no nicotine is no worse than coffee, according to the royal society of public health. What you said pretty much generalised the fact nicotine could have that sort of impact, in any way comparable to harder drugs. Again the nicotine in a cigarette is far higher than delivered far more potently than in vaping, it would take vaping a lot more liquid at 18mg to have any worse effect than smoking the equivalent in tobacco. and anyone at that sort of level is pretty much coming down from 20+ a day anyway so the amount of bad stuff they are swapping out in that instance is again making a positive change in their lifestle.

 

[The Cowboy]

as i said it would be a new one to think vaping or nicotine in general will cause any possible psychological effects.

http://news.sky.com/story/1534821/nicotine-no-worse-than-cup-of-coffee-report

so mate, no nicotine is no worse than coffee, according to the royal society of public health. What you said pretty much generalised the fact nicotine could have that sort of impact, in any way comparable to harder drugs. Again the nicotine in a cigarette is far higher than delivered far more potently than in vaping, it would take vaping a lot more liquid at 18mg to have any worse effect than smoking the equivalent in tobacco. and anyone at that sort of level is pretty much coming down from 20+ a day anyway so the amount of bad stuff they are swapping out in that instance is again making a positive change in their lifestle.

Never heard of anyone being addicted to coffee, and 'struggling to pack the nescafe in'. Nicotine is associated with a range of serious health conditions. Worst caffeine causes is a bit of a tummy ache if you drink too much coffee.