VAR

[LocalNative]

If the rule is, if it hits the hand at all, regardless of the situation and the position of the arm, then yes it is a penalty.

It would be good if they can explain why other more obvious ball hitting hands, have not been given and it will be interesting to see future decisions.

I am not sure on the exact wording of the law, but I thought position of the arm comes into play, i.e. unnatural position, his arm is more or less in front of his body.

I suppose that is the issue, they should make a rule for it, because there doesn't seem to be one and they are making it up as they go along.

They’d argue that his hands not in a natural position, it should be tucked into his body rather than flying at head height.

 

[dublinbluenose]

They’d argue that his hands not in a natural position, it should be tucked into his body rather than flying at head height.

Putting your hands behind your back is an unnatural position in reality. When you slide in or lunge, your arms automatically come up to counter balance your body.

Anyone who has played any sport or done any physical activity must recognise this. It is astounding that refs seem to ignore this. When it suits.

 

[GrandOldSte117]

Lucas Moura for Spurs in our 1-1 at Goodison in April - that Game where Keane scored that wonder goal. With the one mentioned above been the next one to have came at Goodison - Gibbs for West Brom sep 2020
In an away game its Wes Morgan for Leicester in October 2018 when we won 2-1

We have had 12 Red cards since Sep 2020

Ye but the Lucas Moura one was to make it 10 V 10. Thanks for the response

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Putting your hands behind your back is an unnatural position in reality. When you slide in or lunge, your arms automatically come up to counter balance your body.

Anyone who has played any sport or done any physical activity must recognise this. It is astounding that refs seem to ignore this. When it suits.

It does suit... Keeps top of the league interesting and generates lots of media content by debate, its a win win when its comes to EPL VAR and corruption.

 

[blulouie]

The thing that’s broken with VAR is the human element. Remove that, introduce machine learning AI and it would become fit for purpose, relying on a bunch of no-nothing bells stuck in an office in the middle of nowhere, drinking ale and munching on Pringles is never gonna work

I'd worry about AI even more tbh.

AI would have to be programmed to make all of these decisions .
Have a guess who'd be doing the programming ?

VAR is fine by concept and works very well elsewhere , it's the bias people behind it that needs sorting.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I'd worry about AI even more tbh.

AI would have to be programmed to make all of these decisions .
Have a guess who'd be doing the programming ?

VAR is fine by concept and works very well elsewhere , it's the bias people behind it that needs sorting.

Depends who does the initial programming. If it’s done by ex professional footballers, coaches and managers then maybe there’s a chance of success. Also given it would use machine learning - the AI could learn and adapt.

 

[arch stanton]

Depends who does the initial programming. If it’s done by ex professional footballers, coaches and managers then maybe there’s a chance of success. Also given it would use machine learning - the AI could learn and adapt.

Better use non toxic crayons just in case...

 

[uglykidjoe1982]

Depends who does the initial programming. If it’s done by ex professional footballers, coaches and managers then maybe there’s a chance of success. Also given it would use machine learning - the AI could learn and adapt.

Programming would be

Chance of goal x deliberate foul x against one of the scab six = goal

 

[blulouie]

Depends who does the initial programming. If it’s done by ex professional footballers, coaches and managers then maybe there’s a chance of success. Also given it would use machine learning - the AI could learn and adapt.

My guess is it would be the same people programming it.
Also it's infested with ex LFC players they would work their way onto it.

 

[LocalNative]

Putting your hands behind your back is an unnatural position in reality. When you slide in or lunge, your arms automatically come up to counter balance your body.

Anyone who has played any sport or done any physical activity must recognise this. It is astounding that refs seem to ignore this. When it suits.

Mate I play Sunday league footy - you tuck your arm into your chest when diving in. Allowing your arm to flail above your head is running the risk.

Imagine the cryarsing in here if this happened against us and WASN’T given.

 

[Titus Bramble]

It's the officials operating VAR and making the decisions which is the problem, not VAR itself.

Call it incompetence or corruption, but VAR is simply not being used in the way in which is was designed and decisions are still favouring the 'top' clubs.

I also think it's causing a bit of a negative feedback loop. Officials on the pitch can almost hide behind VAR, and not give/give decisions knowing their mates on VAR will back them up. This is causing a drop in standard. The officials whose standards are dropping are the ones running VAR.

It needs binning until either a viable alternative is available or we have a pool of officials who know what they're doing.

 

[blueboy72]

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It’s a penalty under the current rules. We can argue all day long about whether we would’ve got it or other decision in the past. But under the current rules - which badly need changing as they’re a farce - it’s a penalty.

It’s a farce of a rule and if the the rule we’re all playing under , so be it.

But we all know it won’t be and I’d have a bet we have one of these this seasons that not given and the top 6 will have some of these against them not given.

The most annoying thing for me, is they can pick and chose when they want to go to the monitor. Like they did with the Allen challenge v Newcastle. But not in bad challengers v us like from VVD last season and mitrovic , just 2 examples. Like not going to the screen for the rhodri hand ball was scandalous.

 

[Dharma]

 

[billybadger]

Wolves are due a shocking decision in their favour….so we all know what‘s coming up

 

[Rodebaard]

I'm on board with the goal line tech. Offside can just about accept, although there are always questions about drawing lines and involvement in play. But ok, fine. I don't agree with missed free-kicks in the run up to a goal. The goal against spurs is a case in point. Officiating something like football is subjective, because it depends on how much physicality you allow. Both the ref and the linesman were ok with Gomes' tackle but looking it back, you can argue that there was a foul. It always looks worse in slo mo. Either we go back to how it was before (minus the goal line and offside, maybe) and just accept that occasionally refs will make a mistake, or we have this bs where every goal needs to be checked for every little shirt tug or push or what have you. It's rubbish at the moment. You basically have to wait 2 minutes just in case.