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"We want to be entertained"...

Should fans expect to be entertained?

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  • No, go the cinema if you want guaranteed entertainment

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Come now, Moyes??? lol

I think it is perfectly reasonable for football fans to be bored to death by coaches like Moyes, game is meant to be played & won - not played to avoid losing
Hola pal, you’re a the worst type of lizard, a centrist football fan. Go touch yourself to Guardiola wearing a polo neck you have no place mixing Barca with Everton - I’d two foot your latte clean out of your manicured hand you little dork.
 
I don't pay over £1k a year on season tickets alone not to be entertained. Think I'm beginning to waste my money if the last 3 seasons are anything to go by.

Everton wins
Everton goals
Everton tackles

All in short supply!

Cinemas just for grown ups who still like stories
 
Fans will always be happy with winning football, even if its boring football

But the one thing that football fans don't accept is boring, negative, losing football
Mourinho under Chelsea is a testament to this: it was defensive minded, but they won - a lot. I've never left Goodison after a win and moaned.

We may wish for a better performance or critique this and that, but ultimately we're content. As you say, if you're not winning, it becomes an issue.

If Dyche got us to a final and won it with boring and dour football, I do not believe many on here would be upset.
 

I don't pay over £1k a year on season tickets alone not to be entertained. Think I'm beginning to waste my money if the last 3 seasons are anything to go by.

Everton wins
Everton goals
Everton tackles

All in short supply!

Cinemas just for grown ups who still like stories
homer-simpson.gif
 
First time I am hearing sport is not meant to entertain but then again some coaches & fanbases care more about the results irrespective of the product on the pitch. Aspire for better
You're not getting what I'm saying.
For most the entertaining part comes from the competition element, the hope of victory or success, and the sport is the elements of that played out. However for most there is very little 'sport' anymore which is why it isn't 'entertaining'.
Also, those 'new' to football are attracted to 'success' in the terms determined by sky, epl and the 'elite' (marketable) teams.
Football is a fairly simple sport being over complicated for clicks and ad revenue and if you think that is entertaining, good for you, there are plenty of gambling sites that allow you to feel a part of their business of soccerball. It just isn't a sport anymore.
No one throw xGs or heat zones or idea balls at me.
 
You're not getting what I'm saying.
For most the entertaining part comes from the competition element, the hope of victory or success, and the sport is the elements of that played out. However for most there is very little 'sport' anymore which is why it isn't 'entertaining'.
Also, those 'new' to football are attracted to 'success' in the terms determined by sky, epl and the 'elite' (marketable) teams.
Football is a fairly simple sport being over complicated for clicks and ad revenue and if you think that is entertaining, good for you, there are plenty of gambling sites that allow you to feel a part of their business of soccerball. It just isn't a sport anymore.
No one throw xGs or heat zones or idea balls at me.
Spot on. Did you see the penalty against Dortmund the other day? Personally, that was a prime example of how football has been overcomplicated and damaged.

I was watching it with friends in the pub, all of us who've played football for all our lives. Nobody thought it was a penalty; everyone thought it was a good tackle.

But it was given, and you only need to look at comments on social media and stuff, mainly be the newer supporters, to see how there's an uneasy movement.

The game I grew up watching and playing - the game I love - is being destroyed.
 
You're not getting what I'm saying.
For most the entertaining part comes from the competition element, the hope of victory or success, and the sport is the elements of that played out. However for most there is very little 'sport' anymore which is why it isn't 'entertaining'.
Also, those 'new' to football are attracted to 'success' in the terms determined by sky, epl and the 'elite' (marketable) teams.
Football is a fairly simple sport being over complicated for clicks and ad revenue and if you think that is entertaining, good for you, there are plenty of gambling sites that allow you to feel a part of their business of soccerball. It just isn't a sport anymore.
No one throw xGs or heat zones or idea balls at me.
cop for some blue cards? feast your eyes on AI var? hows about two additional two day transfer windows, the first in early November, the second in mid March? player stats to include units (booze) consumed weekly?
 
cop for some blue cards? feast your eyes on AI var? hows about two additional two day transfer windows, the first in early November, the second in mid March? player stats to include units (booze) consumed weekly?
Not even exagerrated is it? Some witless wonder working out how they can fleece the nouveau kopites out of more cash. Would be funny if it wasn't for us and others getting caught in the cross fire and paying the price.
 

What I'm saying Is, Moyes is doing s good job there and the delusion West ham have is crazy.

We built with Moyes, and remained loyal despite the lack of trophies.

He's done that at West ham and they want more? U thought we'd be a perfect example of trying to run before you can walk when there are "good times".

He might win the europa and get West ham in the CL. Just feels very spoiled to
Me.

In my opinion the only sides who's could rival that ATM would be Newcastle if they started calling for Eddie Howe.
Oh I take your point. The gamble if you change is huge. Would I get rid of Dyche? Not currently but if he works out and gets us mid table but doesn't look likely to push on, then I'd want a new guy. Moyes at West Ham probably deserves much more time there but looking at his career is he ever going to be the guy to get them consistently challenging for honours- his career suggests no.
 
I think the problem with Moyes is he can be quite cowardly at times and over a long period that starts to wind fans up. But if you look at the quality of West Ham's squad it's hard to argue they should definitely be doing better than what they are right now. They're not clearly better than any of the teams above them in the league. They've got to the knockouts of European comps for the last 3 seasons. Hard to argue they should be doing any better than that IMO. They've had some poor results recently and when you get bad results playing his style it can look bad. When you play negative football you need to be getting results. If you play that way and don't get results it can be soul-destroying as a fan to watch. Fans pay a lot of money to go to games. They're entitled to demand more from a team than just sitting back behind the ball playing for a 0-0, then losing 1-0 anyway.
 
I think the problem with Moyes is he can be quite cowardly at times and over a long period that starts to wind fans up. But if you look at the quality of West Ham's squad it's hard to argue they should definitely be doing better than what they are right now. They're not clearly better than any of the teams above them in the league. They've got to the knockouts of European comps for the last 3 seasons. Hard to argue they should be doing any better than that IMO. They've had some poor results recently and when you get bad results playing his style it can look bad. When you play negative football you need to be getting results. If you play that way and don't get results it can be soul-destroying as a fan to watch. Fans pay a lot of money to go to games. They're entitled to demand more from a team than just sitting back behind the ball playing for a 0-0, then losing 1-0 anyway.
We regularly saw European campaign hangovers. It's all the mither about strength in depth. Players want to play, especially if they fancy a big money move to a chelsea type for instance, so sitting on the Everton bench isn't going to cut it. Playing your best side every game isn't going to work, injuries and form are factors. Take Pienaar for instance, Moyes got him in for pennies and he fit right in with Baines, couldn't replace him when he got a shot at spurs. West ham have a better than average first eleven, and maybe a sub or two to paper over the cracks, besides that they can't compete. chelsea have players coming out of their ears. Expensive players. West ham got top dollar for Declan Rice, they haven't adequately replaced him. Won a trophy, and out of the door.

It's always been this way but never so pronounced, we were the mersey millionaires, now we've not got a pot to pish in. The best players follow the money, it's a short career and taking the cash whilst increasing your chances of silver wear by playing in a better side (more well paid) is the common sense thing to do.

Moyes pragmatic nature has sewn the seeds for criticism at west ham like it did here. "dithering Davey" is funnily enough the same chorus from the same section, only here now it's "dithering Dyche". For us we're either starting or subbing on 38 year old Ashley Young. That is how far we have fallen.

Thanks bill, just drowning under all these 'good times'.
 

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