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Meant to be in the relegation of the top table. Not actual relegation. One horse race De Boer in.

I'm sure some league 2 team will take happy meal.
 
After the last couple of matches, and especially that dire lifeless performance in the Europa, it looked bad. Today, even with a 4-0 score line, we could see that we can play decent football and compete with the best. The result completely flatters Utd, and they know it. We will do OK now........

Kind of agree mate. Though a 4-0 scoreline won't do the players' already fragile confidence any good.

Playing a struggling Championship team like Sunderland at home is pretty much about the perfect upcoming fixture for us right now..... if the players can put in a performance.
 

We have some seriously venomous people in our fan base.

I am as furious at some of our recent performances as most here, but some of the bile I've seen hurled at players and staff recently in various places is disgraceful.

It's funny some people blame Koeman's attitude for players like Barkley wanting to leave, I wonder sometimes if the reason isn't closer to home?

*braces for impact*
 
We have some seriously venomous people in our fan base.

I am as furious at some of our recent performances as most here, but some of the bile I've seen hurled at players and staff recently in various places is disgraceful.

It's funny some people blame Koeman's attitude for players like Barkley wanting to leave, I wonder sometimes if the reason isn't closer to home?

*braces for impact*

It's the social media age mate. No worse than what you hear in the stands at a match, and certainly no worse than fans of other clubs I'm sure.
 
All down to the next 2 games. We win them then that's 10 points from 7 games at almost 1.5 points a game with 4 of the toughest games of the season played.

We don't win them both then something drastic has to be done. International break after the Burnley game as well so would make sense to leave it until then.
 

Clearly we miss pace up top and on the wings. IMO, our deeper problems in terms of age/no pace and an embedded acceptance of mediocrity are jags and baines. (Not even discussing car crash Williams here). Baines and Jags time has past perhaps 2-3 seasons ago at best. To have ignored this in the recent transfer windows, and to have signed three players for one position in midfield, is negligence on the part of whoever is in charge of transfers.
Neither of Jags nor Baines even have a vocal competitive streak to compensate for their diminished performances and this torpor unfortunately is contagious. It is this malaise which 'plays out from the back' and has spread through the team like a virus the latter part of last season and has afflicted the new signings just as badly.
Deadwood the pair of them. Replace with two kids if needs be.
 
All down to the next 2 games. We win them then that's 10 points from 7 games at almost 1.5 points a game with 4 of the toughest games of the season played.

We don't win them both then something drastic has to be done. International break after the Burnley game as well so would make sense to leave it until then.
This really! We have got through an absolutely horrendous opening set of fixtures! Yes, we didnt play well, yes we havent gelled, yes we didnt get the striker we all wanted! But take a step back, take a deep breath and look at our next five matches? We should win every one of them! If we do, the current lack of confidence will evaporate, players who are tense will start to relax, a few will hopefully break their duck and score a goal, and probably more importantly, having vome through such a spell of adversity, a winning streak should bond them as a team too!

I saw that opening run of games and thought 3 points from Stoke, anything else is a bonus! If we are still getting mauled after the next five games, then we do have a problem but this reaction is frankly ludicrous! Spurs are only four or five points ahead of us for gods sake?
 
Not having it that yesterday was this really positive experience that shows we're over the worst of it.

I saw the game like this:

First 15 minutes - Shambolic, looked likely to be a cricket score and we couldn't get out of our own half
15-45 minutes - Weathered the storm, still looked likely to lose fairly easily but not get annihilated as initially feared
45-80 minutes - Decent. Still fragile defensively and toothless in attack but showed willing and played some decent stuff
Last 10 minutes - Shambolic again. Poor play from experienced players, mental fragility, lack of pace horribly exposed, lost all shape and game plan.

There were some positives, but not that many. 4-0 probably flattered United slightly, but no more than the home wins against City, Hull, Burnley, Bournemouth, Sunderland etc flattered us last season. If we're honest they could very easily have got another goal in the early stages and if they had I think it would have been a lot more than 4, so I don't feel too hard done by.

We need to be going to these games thinking we can win. A draw is still a good result, a narrow defeat is disappointing but kind of acceptable in the real world. When you start saying that a 4-0 defeat is OK, you have very, very serious problems indeed.
 
Just got a ticket for Wednesday , a game I normally wouldn't go to but I saw something yesterday which gives me hope plus I want to exorcise the memory of the Spurs match.
 

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