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Where is all the money Gone

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Moyes hasn't said the money has gone. He's just said he can't compete with those who want to throw their money around so easily.

Would you rather we were prudish and avoid a Leeds/Ipswich situatution, or do you think Koumas is worth 5.5 million, and Nugent for 7 million?

Christ, Madrid have just spent 6million on Reyes - valuations are up the [Poor language removed] wall, and I think its unfair to start slamming the team.

Also worth noting that any club who has 8 injuries in a season at one time is going to be [Poor language removed]. Christ look at Chelsea last season, injuries certainly played a part in them surrenduring the title.

Also, why are all these clubs poised to take over us? Because they can go and spend silly money on average players? While we spent 2.5million on a player who just got Sky Sports player of the season. Its got absolutely [Poor language removed] all to do with money, its how the players gel on the training ground and how they are off the pitch that dictates how well they perform on a Saturday afternoon.

Everton fans are like women, they blow up at the slightest [Poor language removed] thing. [Poor language removed] last week it was all rosy and now its the end of the world again.
 
leonbil said:
If you gave EFC a million pounds to open a restaurant, they'd come back after midnight with a portion of soggy chips and no money left.

[Poor language removed] disgrace. If we didn't have a good manager, I don't know how bad I'd feel.If they are putting money towards a stadium they should [Poor language removed] tell us.If we get a load of injuries - eight or nine, next season we are totally [Poor language removed].Looks like a load of crap for next season.

Where is this transparency promised to everton fans about the state of our finances?

Next season Man city, Villa, Blackburn, Tottenham, the big four, newcastle, Reading, Portsmouth, West Ham are all poised to overtake us.

What do Everton do. Buy a crap player and say we can only get one more.

Even if it was Ronaldinho I wouldn't be happy. But it'll probably be Jason [Poor language removed] Roberts.

Wishing we didn't finish in europe now. Cant see how it will help the long term finances of the club. but if Bill Gates bought Everton we still would have [Poor language removed] all, comparitively, to spend next transfer window, thanks to the magic of everton football club.

Before anyone jumps down my throat - I've supported this club and only this club, all my life. My dad took me to Goodison as a nipper and I have been going on and off since. Me and my family have put money in their bank account.

So blue bill, Where the [Poor language removed] has the money gone? Why at the most pivotal moment in Evertons history, with the smallest squad in the prem and faced with european football and a chance to make a splash in europe and cement our position in the top six have we totally failed to back the manager financially?

If we do well, in europe and in the prem next season, which is frankly unlikely, it will be in spite of the financial backing moyes has recieved.

Money is no guarantee of success in football. But a total lack of money can guarantee failure.
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take a nice deep breathe..... hold it...... now breathe out.

continue to breathe.

yes we all get frustrated, and we all want to see big headlines telling the world that the worlds best players have signed, but we arent at that point yet.

moyes has played down his potential spending because if he was to say "yeah, looking at throwing £15 million around on 3 players, the squad needs a boost and we have the money so why now" - would lead to what exactly? .... every enquiry thereafter would see clubs push their valuations of their players up because everyone wants the best deal (greed remember)

I personally guarantee we will make more signings

lets not get too crazy and aggitated, the window runs to august 31st.

take a deep breathe... hold it..... breathe out.

continue to breathe.

feel better? :)
 
I'm with Dixie. For one I think we do have one BIG signing coming plus 2-3 others.

Plus, let me just say that read a lot about Club history and tradition being a BIG thing and one of the major fears about foreign investment. Yet everyone acts like Everton is Chelsea or something. It seems to me in my brief exposure to the club that not only is this who they are but have been for some time. Near as I can tell from Football Money report the top 4 all have revenue 2-3x that of Everton's.
 
SuitsBlue said:
take a nice deep breathe..... hold it...... now breathe out.

continue to breathe.

yes we all get frustrated, and we all want to see big headlines telling the world that the worlds best players have signed, but we arent at that point yet.

moyes has played down his potential spending because if he was to say "yeah, looking at throwing £15 million around on 3 players, the squad needs a boost and we have the money so why now" - would lead to what exactly? .... every enquiry thereafter would see clubs push their valuations of their players up because everyone wants the best deal (greed remember)

I personally guarantee we will make more signings

lets not get too crazy and aggitated, the window runs to august 31st.

take a deep breathe... hold it..... breathe out.

continue to breathe.

feel better? :)
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actually...that worked.

nice one suits.

Must remember to breathe.
 

GhostOfDixie said:
Moyes hasn't said the money has gone. He's just said he can't compete with those who want to throw their money around so easily.

Would you rather we were prudish and avoid a Leeds/Ipswich situatution, or do you think Koumas is worth 5.5 million, and Nugent for 7 million?

Christ, Madrid have just spent 6million on Reyes - valuations are up the [Poor language removed] wall, and I think its unfair to start slamming the team.

Also worth noting that any club who has 8 injuries in a season at one time is going to be [Poor language removed]. Christ look at Chelsea last season, injuries certainly played a part in them surrenduring the title.

Also, why are all these clubs poised to take over us? Because they can go and spend silly money on average players? While we spent 2.5million on a player who just got Sky Sports player of the season. Its got absolutely [Poor language removed] all to do with money, its how the players gel on the training ground and how they are off the pitch that dictates how well they perform on a Saturday afternoon.

Everton fans are like women, they blow up at the slightest [Poor language removed] thing. [Poor language removed] last week it was all rosy and now its the end of the world again.
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Let me answer some of your questions Ghost.


Would you rather we were prudish and avoid a Leeds/Ipswich situatution, or do you think Koumas is worth 5.5 million, and Nugent for 7 million?

My problem isn't Moyes frugality, its the fact that everton are skint. Why? Where does all the money go? Let me repeat, where is this transparency re: our financial status? Why are we skint, when Goodison is often full, people buy shirts, we sell players, we get TV money, sponsorship deals. How big is this bottomless overdraft? Has everton got a heroin habit or something? Not a problem with Moyes being careful if he has only a few million to spend. In fact, I'd demand it.

I'm glad we didn't go in for Koumas at all. I think Nugent was worth two or three million.

"Also, why are all these clubs poised to take over us? Because they can go and spend silly money on average players? "

Are Torres, Babel, Nani, Anderson average? Maybe they won't all make it. But one of them will. Appiah may go to west ham. I'd [Poor language removed] give anything to see him in an everton shirt. Some of these clubs with new money have also upgraded their managers. Newcaslte will not be a laughing stock under Allardyce. Neither will West Ham. Neither will Villa. Look at their respective managerial records. They wont have the pressure and loss of focus that european footy brings - and the subsequent drain on players fitness etc.

"Its got absolutely [Poor language removed] all to do with money"

why buy any players then? Why spend any money?

But no you are right. This is why most new managers request a war chest of absolute zero, in order to concentrate on their coaching techniques.

for [Poor language removed] sake...
 
Well ask yourself this then, where have Newcastle finished in the past 3 seasons? And where have we finished?

How much money to Chelsea spend last season in comparison to Man U, yet who won the league.

How much have Liverpool spent in the past three seasons compared to Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, yet they have been in 2 CL finals in 2 seasons.

Spurs? They have spent loads of money and have nothing to show for it. Wigan are prepared to spend rather than nurture and that's why they will never have success.

Blackburn won the league in 95 by buying the league, but what happened when the cash ran out? Same with Leeds.

I would rather see Moyes spend efficiently or bring in more loan players, because it has worked wonders in the past, and added to this an intuitive training system and we see the results.

Also are we skint? Who has said we have no money? Your sensationalising and falling into a trap.
 

GhostOfDixie said:
Well ask yourself this then, where have Newcastle finished in the past 3 seasons? And where have we finished?

How much money to Chelsea spend last season in comparison to Man U, yet who won the league.

How much have Liverpool spent in the past three seasons compared to Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, yet they have been in 2 CL finals in 2 seasons.

Spurs? They have spent loads of money and have nothing to show for it. Wigan are prepared to spend rather than nurture and that's why they will never have success.

Blackburn won the league in 95 by buying the league, but what happened when the cash ran out? Same with Leeds.

I would rather see Moyes spend efficiently or bring in more loan players, because it has worked wonders in the past, and added to this an intuitive training system and we see the results.

Also are we skint? Who has said we have no money? Your sensationalising and falling into a trap.
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why bother posting on a thread entitled "where is (surely has) all the money gone," if according to you, "it has absolutely nothing to do with money."

I have already mentioned that some of the more prodigal teams have recently upgraded their managers. Thus I expect to see improvement. I'm not denying you are correct, in that coaching, team spirit etc are all pivotal factors in a teams success, but having the faciltiy to buy top class players that inevitably command high fees is also necessary to ensure success. Many compteting clubs have managed to secure both good managers and a good supply of funds.

"I would rather see Moyes spend efficiently or bring in more loan players, because it has worked wonders in the past, and added to this an intuitive training system and we see the results."

I'm not disagreeing with you here either. Efficiency is called for. nothing wrong with loan deals - saves wasting money on potential busts, and makes them work for the shirt and the contract.


Also are we skint? Who has said we have no money? Your sensationalising and falling into a trap.

Moyes stated in the echo he can only afford one more decent signing,

presumably we are not sitting on billions
 
I think it was obvious that I was indicating that money isn't the only thing we can be using to make our club better.

I was merely suggesting that with good tactics, great training and an excellent relationship between all the players, we can still be a force, well we have been a force.

Newcastle on the other hand have not, and it can't be because they have had [Poor language removed] managers because they all have had decent records.

Every year we have the same moaning going on, and it grinds me down. Kenwright is not going to give up the reigns so easily, but to lambast a board who has managed to do the following:

- hire the man who has been a revelation in turning fortunes around on the pitch.
- Developing one of the better youth policies this side of Amsterdam.
- Develop a new state of the art training facility, which according to the players is excellent.
- To fund the signings of immense quality without spending over the odds.
- To get us out of debt that we were in, and bring us back on an even keel. It aint going to happen overnight, but we are a damn sight better than we were under Johnson. Who knows where we would be right now.

Of course we need money to run a club, that part was obviously misunderstood, but it shouldn't always be available for transfers, which I'm sorry are a big risk. Grassroots investment is by far the more efficient way to spend a clubs money. Not by making rash decisions in the transfer market on players who may not make it.

Liverpool have spent 20+ on Torres, he may not be suited to the English game and be like Shevchenko, a flop. [Poor language removed] expensive flop.

I would rather nurture and develop guys like Kissock, Baxter, Agard and Rodwell, to name but a few, and I mean to name but a few.
 
GhostOfDixie said:
Of course we need money to run a club, that part was obviously misunderstood, .
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yeah, using the incredibly effective means of communication known as english, I got the idea that your opinion was we didn't need money.

"it has absolutely nothing to do with me". I wonder why?

if you can't remember what you yourself said, how the hell are you meant to be able to understand what I say?

I'm not disagreeing with the majority of what you are saying - youth policy, coaching, tactics, the board had the foresight to appoint a great manager etc.

I'm just asking the same question. Why haven't we got money to spend? Where has it gone? Where is the transparency? And stating my opinion that now is the most critical time in our history to invest, otherwise we miss what I percieve to be a golden opportunity of cementing ourselves towards the top of the table and building a squad that can contend in europe.

I really don't think that one more signing is enough, considering the current size of outfield players - and a couple of versatile players (jags and neville) won't change that.

Mark my words. Some teams below us will catch us up, if we can't bring in a number of significant signings - even if they are loan deals, bosmans or whatever.
 
It should be top priority for us to develope the youth movement. It has already paid dividends last year in the emergence of Vaughan and Anichebe. I don't worry about not freewheeling in the market place as long as we keep the spirit and get the job done with top ten finishes untill that time we have the ability to go after some of the so called worlds best players. But we have seen that could be a expensive curse such as Leeds showed us many moons ago. I am comfitable with one more signing with a good pedigree and two loaners(hopefully Manny)(y)
 
Well I seem to remember the same questions being asked a couple of years ago when we were in the CL, and where are we now, a better club? Yes. More players? Yes. Better youth? Yes.

Maybe we have got money to spend, but it doesn't mean we have to spend it on players alone. Academies don't come cheap and are not donated. Stadiums too.

Its also worth noting that we have signed Tim Howard (3million), Jagielka (4.5million) and we have also signed Tim Cahill and Arteta till 2012.

As for the squad an possible injuries, let see if its as bad as you obviously think it is.

We have 3 keepers, so no problems there.
6 Players who can play fullback.
4 possibly 5 centre backs.
8 possibly 9 midfielders/
6 strikers.

Ok, so we don't have the funds to do a Wigan and buy overrated players for inflated transfer fees. I will bring in Reyes (6million) - Koumas (5.5million), that's not right is it?

Lets look at the Premiership and those beneath us.

Villa Have spent 8.5 million on Reo-Coker, is he worth that much? I like him, but I would risk that much on him, because he has a tendency to be a moody player and can disappear from games.

Birmingham have had to buy because they need to step up a level.

Blackburn have bought one unknown and sold one. So no real threat to us there.

Bolton have done the usual, journeymen and unknowns.

Derby have bought Championship level players so surely no threat there.

Fulham have spent well, but I just don't see there players as the kind that are going to push them up the table.

Man City have spend 9million on one player, but they have a manager who can't manage english sides.

Boro have bought one player (Woodgate not included), and a player who's only experience has been Carling Cup matches.

Newcastle Have bought 2 journeymen, a troublemaker and an unknown.

Pompey have bought some players, none really that are having me quaking in my boots.

Reading have the same philosophy as us, they are maintaining a solid consistent side. No real signings.

Sunderland spending 5 million on a former Newcastle reserve player who couldn't force Ameobi out of the side.

West Ham have signed serial reserve keeper, Parker I want international wages even though I'm not good enough for my country, some nomark and the biggest [Poor language removed] this planet has ever seen in Bellamy.

Wigan, well they can [Poor language removed] off back to the [Poor language removed] hole they came from, should have been relegated with the pathetic support last season, and I don't see the new signings changing anything.

So, are these clubs beneath us really going to pose a threat? If David Moyes has proven anything its that he doesn't rely on cash, which unfortunately these other clubs do.

We got to 6th place last season, I would be happy with the same again, and I don't buy this old pony that you need 30 man squads to play in Europe, its only 90mins of footy and Cahill can play a 24 hour match if asked!
 

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