Transfer Rumour Wilfried Gnonto

Zatara said:
Oh dear I totally disagree

1: You've taken a stance beyond reality about Beto & a magical £12mil payment that has (not) appeared out of the blue. Also claiming mismanagement regarding his signing :)

You're painting that as a likely picture when it is massively unlikely, not even worth considering, it would be so bizarre.

2: To compare goals scored decades apart, some in poor sides and some in excellent teams :)

3: Ferguson, Johnson, Yakubu and Lukaku walk into this team.

Ferguson was in a poor team for many years, overused and led to him picking up numerous injuries. The only light in the team and a talisman of hope in dark times.

Johnson was monitored by the refs after Wenger called him out for diving--at the time there was a youtube showing clear penalties not given. Again, not in a top side.

Yakubu was top class but for a bad injury. His first season he was a goal machine. Not trusted to start regular games after his injury (sub games affect your disproportionate stats) but went out and scored double figures elsewhere in England, should never have been sold.

Lukaku top class.


I dont know your age of course but I dont think you saw Yakubu, Ferguson or Johnson for us. All top players, far better than our Centre forwards today. Not even a comparison.

:)


4: Amokachi cost £3mil and was signed by Mike Walker the worst Everton manager of all time. You're right that was a big fee back then but it was Mike Walker who signed him. Hardly a relative example so i didnt mention him.

Beattie £6mil at a time when others were going for multiples of that -- 4.5x was spent on Rooney for example. Certainly not a huge fee in the market at the time and was not considered to be a top signing by the fans. Certainly little excitement for this signing :)


5: The forwards I listed from other teams, I wasnt trying to say they would all score 15 goals, maybe ive misworded by post.

What i was saying is that we have arguably the 5th worst starting centre forward in the league in terms of goal output -- take any of the starters from the 14 teams listed and theyre (i believe) far more likely to score more than DCL.

The team defensive numbers may be 4th best but the attacking output is dreadful. Even having the 8th best centre forward would propel us up the league.

We wont get anywhere with the likes of Maupay, Beto & DCL. There is no point in keeping them, none.

I actually think many posters are insane for disagreeing that we should sell them and sign a top starter....yet wanted Godfrey, Keane and Holgate gone :)

Why would Keane, Godfrey & Holgate sales be welcome but not DCL, Maupay and Beto?

Its madness.




If we had a £50mil budget then we can have more choices than if we had a low budget. Thats what im saying.

Ferguson, David, Beier for example may be hard to entice but having a decent budget gives us more hope than having zero budget (Beto) a low budget (Maupay) or developing a £1.5mil youth signing (DCL).

I think it would be tremendously challenging to sign a worse player than DCL, Beto and Maupay combined with that budget -- we dont need to spend all of it either.



Hopefully this is true & Brentford move on Maupay after the Thiago injury.



Calafiore also off to Arsenal



I didnt mean that. I meant those 14/15 premier league teams teams ALL have at least one superior and more effective starter compared with our players.

We have one of the worst forward groups in the division.



Why the youth aged jokes? I was one of the first if not the first to want a 29 year old Tarkowski.

Thelwell has the right idea, when he has money aim for younger players...when he doesnt (Beto) he tries to spend as little as possible on older players.

Seems like im ahead of the curve by many years. Thats not be talking nonsense, ive had that view for many years when weve seen other clubs follow the same path while we have struggled for not adopting the strategy.

Luckily Thelwell seems to be following a strategy which involves younger signings.



Beto rubbish, DCL ineffective in terms of goals.

Id be disappointed if Chermiti wasnt better than both by the end of next season. Its a very low bar.



Yakubu.

Johnson 11 Ferguson 11 Saha got 13, Rideout 14

Look at how many chances those players got and the circumstances of the teams they were in compared with today.

Surely you wouldnt have DCL over any of them?

Lukaku
Yakubu
Saha
Ferguson
Johnson
Rideout
DCL
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Could you be arsed to type all that when you know not one person is gonna read it all
 
….bit of a mixed bag on Leeds forum. After watching him myself I can understand why many of their fans are frustrated with him although to be fair, many say he’s a talent;


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Zatara said:
Oh dear I totally disagree

1: You've taken a stance beyond reality about Beto & a magical £12mil payment that has (not) appeared out of the blue. Also claiming mismanagement regarding his signing :)

You're painting that as a likely picture when it is massively unlikely, not even worth considering, it would be so bizarre.

2: To compare goals scored decades apart, some in poor sides and some in excellent teams :)

3: Ferguson, Johnson, Yakubu and Lukaku walk into this team.

Ferguson was in a poor team for many years, overused and led to him picking up numerous injuries. The only light in the team and a talisman of hope in dark times.

Johnson was monitored by the refs after Wenger called him out for diving--at the time there was a youtube showing clear penalties not given. Again, not in a top side.

Yakubu was top class but for a bad injury. His first season he was a goal machine. Not trusted to start regular games after his injury (sub games affect your disproportionate stats) but went out and scored double figures elsewhere in England, should never have been sold.

Lukaku top class.


I dont know your age of course but I dont think you saw Yakubu, Ferguson or Johnson for us. All top players, far better than our Centre forwards today. Not even a comparison.

:)


4: Amokachi cost £3mil and was signed by Mike Walker the worst Everton manager of all time. You're right that was a big fee back then but it was Mike Walker who signed him. Hardly a relative example so i didnt mention him.

Beattie £6mil at a time when others were going for multiples of that -- 4.5x was spent on Rooney for example. Certainly not a huge fee in the market at the time and was not considered to be a top signing by the fans. Certainly little excitement for this signing :)


5: The forwards I listed from other teams, I wasnt trying to say they would all score 15 goals, maybe ive misworded by post.

What i was saying is that we have arguably the 5th worst starting centre forward in the league in terms of goal output -- take any of the starters from the 14 teams listed and theyre (i believe) far more likely to score more than DCL.

The team defensive numbers may be 4th best but the attacking output is dreadful. Even having the 8th best centre forward would propel us up the league.

We wont get anywhere with the likes of Maupay, Beto & DCL. There is no point in keeping them, none.

I actually think many posters are insane for disagreeing that we should sell them and sign a top starter....yet wanted Godfrey, Keane and Holgate gone :)

Why would Keane, Godfrey & Holgate sales be welcome but not DCL, Maupay and Beto?

Its madness.




If we had a £50mil budget then we can have more choices than if we had a low budget. Thats what im saying.

Ferguson, David, Beier for example may be hard to entice but having a decent budget gives us more hope than having zero budget (Beto) a low budget (Maupay) or developing a £1.5mil youth signing (DCL).

I think it would be tremendously challenging to sign a worse player than DCL, Beto and Maupay combined with that budget -- we dont need to spend all of it either.



Hopefully this is true & Brentford move on Maupay after the Thiago injury.



Calafiore also off to Arsenal



I didnt mean that. I meant those 14/15 premier league teams teams ALL have at least one superior and more effective starter compared with our players.

We have one of the worst forward groups in the division.



Why the youth aged jokes? I was one of the first if not the first to want a 29 year old Tarkowski.

Thelwell has the right idea, when he has money aim for younger players...when he doesnt (Beto) he tries to spend as little as possible on older players.

Seems like im ahead of the curve by many years. Thats not be talking nonsense, ive had that view for many years when weve seen other clubs follow the same path while we have struggled for not adopting the strategy.

Luckily Thelwell seems to be following a strategy which involves younger signings.



Beto rubbish, DCL ineffective in terms of goals.

Id be disappointed if Chermiti wasnt better than both by the end of next season. Its a very low bar.



Yakubu.

Johnson 11 Ferguson 11 Saha got 13, Rideout 14

Look at how many chances those players got and the circumstances of the teams they were in compared with today.

Surely you wouldnt have DCL over any of them?

Lukaku
Yakubu
Saha
Ferguson
Johnson
Rideout
DCL
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Smiley face.
 

Zatara said:
Compare the teams they played in.

Look at the injuries.

Blame Wenger for Johnson.

Yakubu wasnt given a chance post injury. We sold him for pennies and (i think) he scored double figures in the division below and the premier league after leaving.
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He went to Leicester not sure how many he scored. He came back to the prem with Blackburn and scored 17.
 
Zatara said:
I didnt really like Saha either.

Its a misnomer also to compare those players in the teams we had back then.

My original point was that the likes of Yakubu, Lukaku, Johnson and Ferguson would be more likely to hit 15 goals in the team we had last season -- also this season -- compared to DCL.

Those were all signings made for big money at the time and us fans were all pretty excited about them joining.

When was the last time you / we were excited about signing a centre forward?

I was excited by DCL signing -- as a long term development player.

But Lukaku was the only one since Yakubu really.

Going into this season, none of us im sure are excited about DCL, Beto or Maupay.

Its more likely for them to reach a combined 10 goals than 15+

I am struck by the bewilderment of my posts saying we need to sell all and reinvest in one.

While the same posters wanted Godfrey, Keane and Holgate moved on and replaced.

Its common sense.
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Something to pass the time while reading that.
 

derek duvall said:
Zat's posts are generally utter faeces. Don't engage.

In his head, it's £0 down payment for Beto and if we somehow sell him, we get to spend that money so in actually fact, we've made a chunky profit on it.
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You dont understand how balance sheets work i see.

Not surprised.

Eggs said:
…..that’s not a post, it’s a novel. A comedy, of course.
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Is it nappy changing time?

Tony101 said:
He went to Leicester not sure how many he scored. He came back to the prem with Blackburn and scored 17.
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He got double figures at Leicester as well. 11 in 20 games.

Amazing to read that posters disagree that he walks into our team if he was from this era.

He was absolute quality.
 
Zatara said:
You dont understand how balance sheets work i see.

Not surprised.



Is it nappy changing time?



He got double figures at Leicester as well. 11 in 20 games.

Amazing to read that posters disagree that he walks into our team if he was from this era.

He was absolute quality.
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I agree on the Yak. If I had a choice between prime Lukaku and Prime Yak. I’d go Yak all day long. Loved him, I really thought he was going to be our next true legend, he would have stayed back then as well. Not like Lukaku who thinks the world owes him a favour.
 

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