WORRIED?

[Igrok]

 

[GrandOldTeam]

There are several things that can be disagreed with in the original post tho.

Claiming we struggled to beat Lincoln when we absolutely dominated the game and they got out of their own half about twice.

As I already said - I think we were well on top, but we did struggle to beat them.

Semantics, despite us being well on top, we did struggle.

Read any report and they'll say we edged it, survived a scare etc. We were 10 mins away from penalties;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49416525

Fans were generally nervous about the game, and were proved right to be so.

Claiming Silva is refusing to drop Schneiderlin despite the fact that Delph and Gbamin have both been injured and hes been left with no other real option.

He has other options, I've been saying for ages I'd prefer we binned off the two defensive/holding midfielders against weaker opposition;

His determination to play two holding/defensive midfielders doesn't really do it for me. They just pass sideways, too deep/isolates Sigurdsson and we lack anything centrally - everything goes out wide.
He said at 2-2 yesterday we 'took more risks' - against teams that sit deep and invite us, we should be doing that from the off otherwise we'll be toothless and be picked off on the counter.

And saying 'we could have lost all 3 opening games' is just being a glass half empty kind of person. You could just as easily spin it and say we could have won all 3 games if walcott and DCl had taken their chances against Villa and Sigurdson hadnt had one kicked off the line against Palace

Marco Silva agrees - he himself admitted after Watford we could have lost but spun it rightly as a positive by saying we've improved as we likely would have lost on that performance last season.

4 points against C.Palace (A), Watford (H) and Aston Villa (A) is a bit 'meh', I'd have thought 6/7 minimum.

 

[MikeH72]

Not Champions League, but certainly Europa League. We should be mixing it with the top six clubs comfortably given the resources we've given Silva.

Wolves did it coming straight into the league and it just gives more credence to the suggestion that we've been chronically mismanaged from the top down.

7th was a minimum expectation last season after the expenditure. 7th this season is an absolute necessity.

If we don't qualify for Europe either via the league or a cup win, then Silva has to go.

lol no they didn’t you complete turnip, they were just as far behind the top 6 as we were. Honest to god, what do you get out of this?

 

[Bluebonic]

Poch had Spurs top 4 pretty much consistency though spending alot less money in the process than Silva has.

Realistically I cant see us finishing top 6 never mind top 4 if Silva was here for the next 5 years as he is too inconsistent of a manager / poor in game management.

I would also say there is a poor mentality culture at the club which was around before Silva but its clear to see based on our away results that I doubt that will be resolved anytime soon.

I honestly couldn’t give a toss about top 6, and Poch, for all his attractive football has won jack! We need to follow the Unai Emery model of winning a trophy each year. Get into Europe that way, league position counts for zilch unless it is first place or bottom 3. All the others is just grounded g day. win some silverware! I am old enough to have seen us win lots, but there are way too many blues who have never known the pure elation of winning a trophy. Trust me, there is very little elation in coming 6th.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Is it early in the season to start worrying, maybe it is.

But the lack of goals in pre-season and carrying on into the first 3 premier league games is concerning.

We beat Wolves 3 nil on the weekend and all this goes away.

Lose 3-0 and fans start calling for him to be sacked.

Indicative of the problem and a symptom of what happens when the club takes a gamble on a manager without much credentials (Moshiri and Brands own words)

3 games tho!!!! we've only lost one of them, The OP's post is perfectly reasonably if we have played a good chunk of games we've played 3.

At what point in the season is the OPs post perfectly reasonable?

Why weren't the same, or more damning posts after Villa jumped on and mocked?

In those three games, only one player in Gbamin featured who wasn't here last season.

You have put me on the spot here, but I'd say if we miss out on European qualification by finishing 8th or lower for the second season running, assuming we won't win either of the cups, I would think it would be sufficient grounds have a serious review of his position at the very least, not least considering who might be available as an alternative.

I prefer stability and would like to see him see out his contract, but we can't be afraid of change either. Spurs did get through their fair share of managers before hitting a winning formula, and regular managerial changes didn't affect Chelsea greatly until recently perhaps, not that they are the best comparison for us.

You don't move someone on for the sake of it, particularly given our recent history either.

The problem is drawing an arbitrary line in the sand somewhere, as cruel or as generous that appears to be, and how much time is time enough for a club that have had 30 years of nothing and that supposedly is in a hurry. We also have a DOF model that is now supposedly seen to work so if it does, it should mitigate against at least some aspects of more change.

But, when all is said and done I hope 110% he is considered to be doing enough to stay here beyond this season, and several more to come.

Didn't mean to put you on the spot mate but my point is - whats the minimum expectation for this season?

A point could mean the difference between 7th and 8th or European football.

 

[Arteta10]

As I already said - I think we were well on top, but we did struggle to beat them.





He has other options, I've been saying for ages I'd prefer we binned off the two defensive/holding midfielders against weaker opposition;

We didn't tho. Take the first 21 seconds out of it and we completely dominated them all game. The media are always going to spin it that we 'survived a scare' or 'just edged it'. But in reality we were 100% the better team and we kept them pinned in pretty much their own box for practically the whole game.

In fact I struggle to remember us being so dominant and having to withstand such little pressure in any other game previously, we usually make much more of a meal of these type of games as we did against Lincoln in the FA Cup last year.

Fair enough about the two holding midfielders thing. Don't disagree with you there would prefer we sacked it off. But the original post went on as tho Schneiderlin is always going to be picked even when we have a fully fit squad and thats just not true.

And about the 'we could have lost all 3 games'. Again, this boils down to whether youre a glass half full or half empty kind of guy. Its obvious that the OP and a few more in this thread are definitely the latter

 

[Moomin]

Lose 3-0 and fans start calling for him to be sacked.

Indicative of the problem and a symptom of what happens when the club takes a gamble on a manager without much credentials (Moshiri and Brands own words)




At what point in the season is the OPs post perfectly reasonable?

Why weren't the same, or more damning posts after Villa jumped on and mocked?

In those three games, only one player in Gbamin featured who wasn't here last season.




Didn't mean to put you on the spot mate but my point is - whats the minimum expectation for this season?

A point could mean the difference between 7th and 8th or European football.

Lose 3 nil and we have this.

 

[Arteta10]

I honestly couldn’t give a toss about top 6, and Poch, for all his attractive football has won jack! We need to follow the Unai Emery model of winning a trophy each year. Get into Europe that way, league position counts for zilch unless it is first place or bottom 3. All the others is just grounded g day. win some silverware! I am old enough to have seen us win lots, but there are way too many blues who have never known the pure elation of winning a trophy. Trust me, there is very little elation in coming 6th.

Hmm I see your point but not sure i agree with this.

Would prefer to see us consistently finishing 4th and playing in the champions league every year (and therefore having the tools to kick on to the next level) rather than see us win one Carabao cup and then fade back into insignificance

 

[AmericasToffee]

4 matches in?

 

[brieverton]

Lose 3-0 and fans start calling for him to be sacked.

Indicative of the problem and a symptom of what happens when the club takes a gamble on a manager without much credentials (Moshiri and Brands own words)




At what point in the season is the OPs post perfectly reasonable?

Why weren't the same, or more damning posts after Villa jumped on and mocked?

In those three games, only one player in Gbamin featured who wasn't here last season.




Didn't mean to put you on the spot mate but my point is - whats the minimum expectation for this season?

A point could mean the difference between 7th and 8th or European football.

I know you didn't mate. But put it this way, I think there is a high likelihood that Solskjaer won't last the season at Utd, and if he gets sacked, the media spin on it will be positive, as a big club being ruthless to preserve their rightful status. I don't see them coming close enough to miss out on the Champions League by a point, but even if that happened, sacking Solskjaer under those circumstances would be lapped up even more.

We finish 8th and Silva gets sacked and the spin would be what more Everton could have expected and how unrealistic we all are.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

Spurs had some great players (incl Kane) whereas weve had to change almost an entire squad.

Also, £76mil back then and £192mil now, is there that much of a difference seeing as prices have more than doubled...

We've >chosen< to change an entire squad. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

The best managers get the most out of what they have within their squad. Kane was still a baby, he had played less than 20 games and scored 3 or 4 goals for Spurs before Poch arrived. It wasn't like he arrived and was handed a world class striker.

When Poch arrived, he had a strikeforce of Soldado and an ageing Adebayor with the likes of Lamela, Chadli, Townsend, Capoue, Bentaleb in midfield and had to contend with a defence containing the likes of Kaboul, Chiriches and Fazio. He absolutely had a rebuild job on his hands.

The only players he had then that he has in his starting line up now is Lloris, Rose, Vertonghen, Eriksen and Kane. Experience-wise, it's not worlds apart from Silva arriving to Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Sigurdsson and Calvert-Lewin (who all start for us now).

Silva has still had an enormous amount of money to spend (still comparatively loads more even taking inflation into account).

Poch is obviously a better manager and I don't think anyone is expecting Silva to compete for the title as Poch did in his 2nd season, which is why expectations have been adjusted for two seasons running. 7th bare minimum, any less and he HAS to go.

 

[Kenshin]

United have played Chelsea and Wolves (away)
Chelsea have played United (away) and Leicester
Spurs have played City (away).

We've played Palace, Watford and Villa.....

Aye but we also have new players to integrate and get up to speed on a new league.

If we went on a 10 game winning run soon then these worries would count for nothing. Even 12 wins and 3 draws out the next 20 is great return , just need the momentum now. That lies with Kean and iwobi to give us that.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I know you didn't mate. But put it this way, I think there is a high likelihood that Solskjaer won't last the season at Utd, and if he gets sacked, the media spin on it will be positive, as a big club being ruthless to preserve their rightful status. I don't see them coming close enough to miss out on the Champions League by a point, but even if that happened, sacking Solskjaer under those circumstances would be lapped up even more.

We finish 8th and Silva gets sacked and the spin would be what more Everton could have expected and how unrealistic we all are.

No doubt - as a lot did when we sacked Allardyce after finishing 8th.

 

[Lelouch]

At what point in the season is the OPs post perfectly reasonable?

Why weren't the same, or more damning posts after Villa jumped on and mocked?

In those three games, only one player in Gbamin featured who wasn't here last season.

Like I said before 15 games or even Christmas is a fair sample size, Other posters probably have said the same aka the doom and gloom gang but even they won't make threads with the title "WORRIED?" I might be taking it out on the OP but this place has been so negatively since the transfer window opened it's starting to grate a little. I'm not expecting everything to be roses and BBQ's but can we play more than 3 games without panicking about the whole season.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

lol no they didn’t you complete turnip, they were just as far behind the top 6 as we were. Honest to god, what do you get out of this?

Wolves finished 9 points off the top six and took 16 points off the top six.
Everton finished 12 points off the top six and took 12 points off the top six.

"Just as far behind the top six as we were...."