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Torino are 'some no marks' and Lincoln are a 'top team from division one'.
At least >try< and conceal your bias.
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Torino are 'some no marks' and Lincoln are a 'top team from division one'.
At least >try< and conceal your bias.
OneTrueLegend
Player Valuation: £35m
Im not worried yet. I like to give the season at least 10 games before I have a complete hissy fit. 10 games is just over a quarter of the season and I think gives a better reflection on how things are going.
We had Delph, Sidibe, Iwobi and Kean all make their full debut's, hopefully Delph, Iwobi and Kean will play at the weekend. The one thing that is confusing me about Silva is we seem to be playing the ball wide and crossing it into the middle with DCL as the target man. But DCL is rarely in the right position to head the ball and I think heading is not his strong suit. Also I think Kean is not a natural target man either. So often we are firing balls into the box to no one. But we have Cenk Tosun, who is a natural target man, yet he is on the bench.
For me if we are going to persist with these tactics we either need to change formation or Tosun needs to start more games, or both, if we want to incorporate Tosun and Kean upfront or Tosun and DCL
We had Delph, Sidibe, Iwobi and Kean all make their full debut's, hopefully Delph, Iwobi and Kean will play at the weekend. The one thing that is confusing me about Silva is we seem to be playing the ball wide and crossing it into the middle with DCL as the target man. But DCL is rarely in the right position to head the ball and I think heading is not his strong suit. Also I think Kean is not a natural target man either. So often we are firing balls into the box to no one. But we have Cenk Tosun, who is a natural target man, yet he is on the bench.
For me if we are going to persist with these tactics we either need to change formation or Tosun needs to start more games, or both, if we want to incorporate Tosun and Kean upfront or Tosun and DCL
If we need a Hans Seger moment (you may have to look that up ) in our last game of the season then I will worry.
Until then I will just enjoy the ride.
Who would you have picked instead of Schneiderlin to play last night.
I am no fan of his but what are the options
Arteta10
Player Valuation: £10m
I realise it is only the start of the season but how many of us looked to our slow start last year, counted the points that we probably should have got and said "if only"?
We have spent a lot of money building a squad that should be doing better than what it is doing a the moment. So called lesser teams re looking a lot sharper than us and although our sharpness may come along these other teams may already have grabbed the points we should have had for what I see as a number of reasons:
Very poor pre season.
Lack of early purchases to get the individuals integrated into the team.
persisting in players that are just not good enough (Schneiderlin, DCL, Siggie).
As their is little to l know loyalty from players this should work both ways and if a players is not good enough he should be dropped, if he chooses to leave then so be it but rather a poor none trying player in the reserves than in the firs team because he cost lots.
We can only rely on our benefactors good will for so long before he tells whatever manager to manage as the pot is empty. Rather £100k a week player in the reserves than in the team if not performing.
Everyone of us at sometime has said "I can do better than that", "all that money and they cant run for 90 minutes" etc etc and realistically lots of us can run around for 90 minutes for Everton and for nothing and some of these fraudsters are being paid lots of money to not run around for 90 minutes, or let the ball do the running for them for 90 minutes, and dont give a monkeys when they drive home in their Bentleys etc to their Cheshire homes partly financed by your hard earned pennies and out of this all I personally want is an honest player to get out their, do their best and win draw or lose be proud to wear the Everton shirt week in week out.
Yes, for the early people on this thread it may seem knee jerk by me to open this thread but I have go back to the fact that highly paid individuals are not performing to a high standard that gets results.
Palace we where awful and bummed them for a point, Watford we where okay (does that mean improvement?) and scraped a win, Villa good and bad and lost, Lincoln (1st Division) won but out muscled when they had the energy and ten minutes from penalties - then its a lottery.
It has been a mediocre to poor start and with the loss of Gbamin Silva will persist in the same team and I will still be WORRIED.
Like who tho?
I think this is the point a lot of us are trying to make. A lot of teams have dropped points its not just us.
Spurs and United lost at home to lower opposition and Wolves who everyone fears have drawn their first 3 games (are still unbeaten / winless depending on the spin you want to put on it)
Steve Wigan
Player Valuation: £35m
WAs it Torino that Wolves beat 4-0? Lincoln were top of Division one until last weekend,and had not conceded at home all season.
Arteta10
Player Valuation: £10m
Yeah its the extreme.
But as I said in the previous post I'm not suggesting we should accept 7th or that nobody can criticize Everton.
But would anyone in here genuinely prefer to be a Wolves or a Leicester supporter?
There are only 6 teams in England who I'd rather we were in their position than ours
By your standards that is a surprisingly sunny and overly optimistic viewpoint
Being an evertonian is the best rollercoaster in the world. Wouldn’t change it for the world. How can you be worried after years of disappointment. It’s all natural now.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
From the same set of fixtures last season we got 5 points. From the opening 4 games we also got 5 points. So if we draw we are on course to finish the same as last season, 8th.
Net we have spent around 15 million quid and reduced the wage bill. I am not sure where we get over the idea that we should be automatically be winning all of our games.
The way people carry on, a minimum requirement is the 26 games outside of the top 6 we have to win. They also think we should win our share of the games against the top 6 and anything else is akin to relegation problems. If we win all 26 games outside of the top 6, that alone would see us finish comfortably first and be in the title mix. Throw in some wins against the top 6 and most seasons that would win you the league.
While that is the dream, it's not a fair or realistic goal for a side that has spent (I repeat) about 15 million net and has reduced it's wage bill.
Wait until we are 10 games in and make a judgement. My target is 16 points. We picked up 12 from equivalent fixtures last season, soif we have 16 we are going in the right direction.
Net we have spent around 15 million quid and reduced the wage bill. I am not sure where we get over the idea that we should be automatically be winning all of our games.
The way people carry on, a minimum requirement is the 26 games outside of the top 6 we have to win. They also think we should win our share of the games against the top 6 and anything else is akin to relegation problems. If we win all 26 games outside of the top 6, that alone would see us finish comfortably first and be in the title mix. Throw in some wins against the top 6 and most seasons that would win you the league.
While that is the dream, it's not a fair or realistic goal for a side that has spent (I repeat) about 15 million net and has reduced it's wage bill.
Wait until we are 10 games in and make a judgement. My target is 16 points. We picked up 12 from equivalent fixtures last season, soif we have 16 we are going in the right direction.
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catcherintherye
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As with last season you will see the best of this squad after Christmas.
Like you I haven't seen much talk of 9 points. If there was, it was remiss. We don't win away games very often and had 2 of them to start with. Crystal Palace have already defeated Manchester United and look ok this season. Aston Villa have spent huge amounts of money on top of keeping together last years team. I'm not sure why we think we can rock up to such places and get a win.
We have defeated a Watford team who are always challenging at the start of any season. Wolves will be difficult too, but we have a good chance of winning. IF we do we are ahead of last seasons corresponding fixtures. But for some, panic will have set in.
catcherintherye
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While I'm on my high horse about it, I don't think we did struggle to beat lower league opposition last night. We scored 4 goals.
They scored a goal which was offside after 20 seconds. Outside of that we dominated the following 18 1/2 minutes 4-1. The goal they got was a bit of a freakish wonder goal (though they all count).
Watching it live, had the game gone on another 10 minutes I'd have fancied us to score another 2 or 3, given how easily we were getting through them.
It was a very one sided comfortable win.
They scored a goal which was offside after 20 seconds. Outside of that we dominated the following 18 1/2 minutes 4-1. The goal they got was a bit of a freakish wonder goal (though they all count).
Watching it live, had the game gone on another 10 minutes I'd have fancied us to score another 2 or 3, given how easily we were getting through them.
It was a very one sided comfortable win.
The lack of early purchases is also down to the finances. It seems like Everton couldn't get players in until they got deals in place to cut the wage bill. It's not ideal but that's the reality of FFP and since we can't force other clubs to take our castoffs early then there's not a great deal that can be done. That's the reality of it.
Players do get dropped and binned off into the reserves if they're not good enough or their attitude isn't right. Niasse, Mirallas and Bolassie aren't being played in the first team. Who are these players who are keeping better players out of the side through nothing other than loyalty? Who can't get a game because someone on 100k a week is being kept in the side for the sake of it?
And if we're going to go on about loyalty then I'm pretty sure some Everton players have had a tough time of it from Everton fans despite there being very valid personal or health reasons for them being in poor form.
Football isn't about running around for 90 minutes. Sprinting round like headless chickens and pumping the badge with their fist isn't going to garner many points. Taking last night's game for example (Lincoln) who clearly wasn't trying or clearly didn't care? If you're just thinking how quickly can you get in the Bentley and head off back to Cheshire then why would you be running the length of the pitch to get involved in a bit of argy-bargy after Siggy's penalty?
It's not actually a simple equation of Wages*Transfer Fee = Performance level.
Is there a single sport or industry where the amount of money paid to individuals absolutely guarantees 100% performance levels and infallible decision making skills? Can you state the income level where an individuals private life or health no longer affects their mental state or motivation levels?
And even if it were that simple an equation then Everton's average finish over the last few years probably roughly tallys with the wage table in the grand scheme of things.
Yes the players and staff earn huge amounts of money to do their job but then there are a lot of other clubs lashing out the same kind of money to actively prevent them doing that job. Keepers don't stop making saves because the opposition striker earns more than them.
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The Palace game was awful I agree but the conditions weren't exactly conductive to a decent game of football. There were some good and bad points in the Watford game which could have been a more comfortable win but also a draw or loss, not a great deal to it.
Villa, though very disappointing, wasn't the absolute horror show that some made out and again was a game of narrow margins where the result could have been different.
Lincoln, even at 2-2, I did not doubt Everton would win as they were clearly the better side despite 5 changes of which 4 were full debuts. It was a potential banana skin though as Lincoln are a very decent side for that level with home advantage and the kind of dismissal of them as something akin to a pub side (from some, not you) is nothing more than Premier League fan arrogance. However a game we should be winning and a game we did win.
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It's amazing people apply the logic of 'two freak goals' to Lincoln but DON'T apply it in reverse to Digne's and Sig's penalty.
'Comfortable' but with 10 minutes to go was heading to penalties against a side that was playing in League Two 4 months ago.
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