WORRIED?

[Stephenlloyd]

Pochettino took over a Spurs in 6th place and took them to 3rd and a Cup final within 2 seasons spending £76m across 4 transfer windows.

Silva took over an Everton in 8th place and took us to 8th place last year, spending £192m across 3 transfer windows.

In other words, unless Silva get's us top 4 this season, the two aren't even close to comparable.

I’ve mentioned spurs and poch before, he may have only spent 76mil, but 76mil 4yrs ago is a fortune now. Like if you spent 50mil one summer 10yrs ago.

You can’t compare a rebuilding job now to even 3yrs ago or 10yrs ago. And unfortunately due to the part disaster by Walsh & Koeman, this is where we are. We are left rebuilding a whole new squad. It’s like if Newcastle finally get taken over, they could spend 300mil over 2 windows and would still have no guarantee they would get top 4.

Previous to poch spurs spent a lot of money, which included young players. Quite a few took a few years to to find their feet in the prem and improve. A few mangers got sacked and poch was the lucky one who took over as it all fell into place. Obviously he’s done a great job. But the likes of Walker & rose took a few years to reach that level. Getting the 2 Belgian CB’s was a master stroke. Dembelle struggled for a season or two after arriving from Fulham, Eriksen the same and Son.

Add to the impact a 5mil signing had in dele Ali and Kane coming through the ranks happens once in a lifetime.,

Poch has proved he’s a very good manager, getting all them players to gel and to motivate them, but if he stays at spurs the next 3/4 years, he will have to rebuild the team and then we will see if he’s worth the hype.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Like I said before 15 games or even Christmas is a fair sample size, Other posters probably have said the same aka the doom and gloom gang but even they won't make threads with the title "WORRIED?" I might be taking it out on the OP but this place has been so negatively since the transfer window opened it's starting to grate a little. I'm not expecting everything to be roses and BBQ's but can we play more than 3 games without panicking about the whole season.

The bold is my whole point really.

I think most are.

I also think the OPs view is on Silva as a collective since we appointed him, not based on 3 games.

Sure, it's early days - but if it's too early to comment or have any reservations - why bother posting anything on here until Christmas? Pretty much every comment could be brushed off as 'it's too early in the season'

 

[Deleted member 38674]

The bold is my whole point really.

I think most are.

I also think the OPs view is on Silva as a collective since we appointed him, not based on 3 games.

Sure, it's early days - but if it's too early to comment or have any reservations - why bother posting anything on here until Christmas? Pretty much every comment could be brushed off as 'it's too early in the season'

Love this.

We end up in a never ending cycle of dismissive comments because the perception is that those voicing their discontent are perceived as 'jumping the gun'.

 

[Arteta10]

Like I said before 15 games or even Christmas is a fair sample size, Other posters probably have said the same aka the doom and gloom gang but even they won't make threads with the title "WORRIED?" I might be taking it out on the OP but this place has been so negatively since the transfer window opened it's starting to grate a little. I'm not expecting everything to be roses and BBQ's but can we play more than 3 games without panicking about the whole season.

People moan and put a negative spin on literally everything they can in here. Don't know why they bother following us if all theyre gonna do is slate us.

Yes we all wish Everton were dominating in England and in Europe but there are literally 100s of clubs who would love to be in our position.

Not saying at all that we should just accept being 7th (in the best league in the world) but you could be a fan of any team in the country minus the top 6 and youd be worse off than us.

Imagine being a Bury or Bolton fan and then you genuinely would have something to worry / moan / be negative about

 

[AmericasToffee]

The bold is my whole point really.

I think most are.

I also think the OPs view is on Silva as a collective since we appointed him, not based on 3 games.

Sure, it's early days - but if it's too early to comment or have any reservations - why bother posting anything on here until Christmas? Pretty much every comment could be brushed off as 'it's too early in the season'

Not particularly. It does take more than a 4 match sample size, though. I'd say when Everton get to double digit number of games, you'll see who the team truly is.

 

[AmericasToffee]

Unfortunately it will be without a key piece for those 10 games - Gbamin

 

[Ralphie Boy]

I realise it is only the start of the season but how many of us looked to our slow start last year, counted the points that we probably should have got and said "if only"?

We have spent a lot of money building a squad that should be doing better than what it is doing a the moment. So called lesser teams re looking a lot sharper than us and although our sharpness may come along these other teams may already have grabbed the points we should have had for what I see as a number of reasons:

Very poor pre season.
Lack of early purchases to get the individuals integrated into the team.
persisting in players that are just not good enough (Schneiderlin, DCL, Siggie).

As their is little to l know loyalty from players this should work both ways and if a players is not good enough he should be dropped, if he chooses to leave then so be it but rather a poor none trying player in the reserves than in the firs team because he cost lots.

We can only rely on our benefactors good will for so long before he tells whatever manager to manage as the pot is empty. Rather £100k a week player in the reserves than in the team if not performing.

Everyone of us at sometime has said "I can do better than that", "all that money and they cant run for 90 minutes" etc etc and realistically lots of us can run around for 90 minutes for Everton and for nothing and some of these fraudsters are being paid lots of money to not run around for 90 minutes, or let the ball do the running for them for 90 minutes, and dont give a monkeys when they drive home in their Bentleys etc to their Cheshire homes partly financed by your hard earned pennies and out of this all I personally want is an honest player to get out their, do their best and win draw or lose be proud to wear the Everton shirt week in week out.

Yes, for the early people on this thread it may seem knee jerk by me to open this thread but I have go back to the fact that highly paid individuals are not performing to a high standard that gets results.

Palace we where awful and bummed them for a point, Watford we where okay (does that mean improvement?) and scraped a win, Villa good and bad and lost, Lincoln (1st Division) won but out muscled when they had the energy and ten minutes from penalties - then its a lottery.

It has been a mediocre to poor start and with the loss of Gbamin Silva will persist in the same team and I will still be WORRIED.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

We didn't tho. Take the first 21 seconds out of it and we completely dominated them all game.

We did, I've said a few times we were well on top but you can play well/dominate and still struggle to beat a side. They were winning the game for a longer period than us yesterday and very nearly took us to pens. Go through our match thread or look back on social media and fans were really in a panic. I put on our Facebook page 'Comfortable and routine win for Everton' as a joke and the comments were full of fans who didn't get sarcasm fuming saying it was a tough game.

 

[ClausThomsen]

The bold is my whole point really.

I think most are.

I also think the OPs view is on Silva as a collective since we appointed him, not based on 3 games.

But the OP does say So far in the league and only comments on games played this season. That's not how most would phrase a long-term overview of Silva's admittedly slightly bumpy reign.

The OP also slates Schneiderlin's selection citing his poor showings this season and completely discounts his very good form in last seasons run-in. For all we know he could be absolutely running rings round people in training and the other options may well be completely off it. Again,it doesn't sound like something based on any kind of longer term overview than flapping at a couple of sub-par performances in league games that could have gone much better with a little better luck....or worse, that's football.

It all sounds like an assessment based on a narrow window of time to me and the type of thinking that would have seen Howard Kendall binned off in short time. I don't know how old Ralphie Boy is but the way we've started this season falls far, far short of panic stations.

 

[Brisan123]

The number of likes this post got tells the OP the general consensus on here

 

[Steve Wigan]

So far in the league we have played three won one, drawn one lost one - All should have been victories with the players we have and money spent, could have lost them all.

Carabao Cup struggled to win against a first division club.

Look lethargic, off the pace and quite frankly clueless at times.

Silva still insisting on playing Schneiderlin who constantly makes defensive errors, fails to tackle, gives free kicks away and insists on playing forty yard balls to heavily marked players or passes back.

In essence I believe we have a decent squad with the potential for a good cup run and or relative league success, I just think the man at the helm does not know who his best squad is and where to play them.

Wolves (supposedly one of our main rivals for that coveted 7th spot) on Sunday and really not relishing that one.

Am I worried?

Damn right I am....................

You are depressing. Wolves have won a Europa game against some no marks and have yet to win a Prem game. They are playing on Thursday before playing us early on Sunday. We are also at home, and we have at least as much quality as them, probably more. We are coming off a good hard working team performance against a really up for it top team from division one. In my eyes we are favourites.

 

[Deleted member 38674]

Imagine being a Bury or Bolton fan and then you genuinely would have something to worry / moan / be negative about

This argument can forever be used to bypass all criticism.

 

[Groucho]

 

[Bluebonic]

Hmm I see your point but not sure i agree with this.

Would prefer to see us consistently finishing 4th and playing in the champions league every year (and therefore having the tools to kick on to the next level) rather than see us win one Carabao cup and then fade back into insignificance

Ideally we have both mate, I agree 100%, but if we cannot compete with the top dogs (like Emery couldn’t in Spain) then following his model of targeting the less ‘fashionable’ cups to ensure European football is surely the way forward?

 

[Arteta10]

We did, I've said a few times we were well on top but you can play well/dominate and still struggle to beat a side. They were winning the game for a longer period than us yesterday and very nearly took us to pens. Go through our match thread or look back on social media and fans were really in a panic. I put on our Facebook page 'Comfortable and routine win for Everton' as a joke and the comments were full of fans who didn't get sarcasm fuming saying it was a tough game.

I take your point.

As I think you said previously its about semantics. It was a 'dominant performance' but not a 'comfortable win'.

While the game was in play I wasn't comfortable at any stage watching it until we got the 4th. But on reflection we had all of the play and the result should never really have been in doubt.