Young EFC Players Out On Loan 17-18

[degsy]

Personal view - I watched much of the Barnsley game as I hadn't seen Joe Williams in action this season yet and Barnsley were an attractive footballing side last season.

I thought he put in a poor performance in a very poor side, who were second-best all over the pitch. In defence, on occasion he would dive in and miss a tackle, resulting in a hole behind him while on attack his distribution was surprisingly inaccurate (if I remember rightly, he had a stretch of breaking down three attacks by passing to the opposition). On a positive side, even though he was having a bit of a nightmare he was still looking for the ball and happy to show for the pass.

Thinking about it afterwards, his game probably summed up why loans are necessary. If you are at the level where you are going to be loaned out to the Championship or above, then you have probably been pretty much a rising star in the Academy. That means you can afford to have a wayward game or play some poor passes and staff may criticise but still see the potential of your positive moments.

On loan, this is real life. When you give the ball away on attack, that's your team-mates who have busted a gut to run up the field with you to try to get an equaliser which will stop the thousands of fans getting on their back and the manager decide to shake up the team. And it's real life for you now as well. No longer all about potential, it's about whether you get the chance at Everton or end up at Colwyn Bay thinking about what might have been.

On balance, I think Joe Williams possibly needs to stop the Academy 'style' where you are trying to do the right things and start playing professional percentage football (i.e. get rid rather than doing a Stones near your own box).

The difference between the practice of the theory at the Academy and the Theory put into practice in the real world... I don't care what it says in the manual son, just hit it with the hammer 'there' when I tell you to.
Now - bang - Brrmmm (*purrs)

 

[degsy]

He dived. He already tried once with a dive, didn't get given. Second time he got the penalty. Was a good dive though; searched for the leg, felt a slight tap and went down but very easy.

Penalty is missed though.

good; hate divers...except for Limpar Vs Wimbledon.

 

[Armel]

good; hate divers...except for Limpar Vs Wimbledon.

He's playing well though. Really like his performance so far. The other ones are playing miles under their level, hence a lot of booing. Bad start of the season.

 

[jceverton]

He is a talented lad. Have see a few comments though suggesting a lack of stamina. Hopefully this if just a case of a young man adjusting to men's football.

I think that is the case. They play two games a week so it's a tough league physically. If you're just used to playing for U23's it's going to take time to adjust.

 

[blueloon]

He is a talented lad. Have see a few comments though suggesting a lack of stamina. Hopefully this if just a case of a young man adjusting to men's football.

Yeah this stamina business is an odd one, you'd think that someone like Dowell would have a good degree of natural fitness, but stamina generally improves with age. I wonder if it's just the style and time he's played. Davies and Walsh are high energy, run about for 90 mins , which over time must increase their fitness level at game time. Dowell is less energetic, and I wonder prior to yesterday when he last played a full 90 mins. For England U20s at the World Cup he was regularly brought off around 70 mins and only played half matches for us in pre season. Fitness training can only take you do far, I'm sure with more 90 min matches he'll be able to play consistently right through to the end.

 

[Armel]

Hmm lost 2-3 at home, with awful general play. 4/12 points start. If no win next week = somebody sacked.

 

[johnnydawg68]

I watched a lot of the Sunderland V Leeds game yesterday.
Galloway was very poor and Browning was solid but a long long way off the type of player we need at the back.
I can't ever see him being able to replace a player like Williams.
I think both Browning and Galloway are playing to establish careers for themselves in the Championship.

Williams is going downhill rapidly. In another 12 months I can't see him starting at all, so would you rather have an aging Williams as a squad player or Browning? Obviously door #3 is someone else entirely.

 

[bluebud]

Anthony Robinson Made his Bolton debut in the EFL cup Vs Sheffield Weds tonight, winning 3-0 at the mo, 70 mins gone, got an assist for the third goal.

 

[maccavennie]

Anthony Robinson Made his Bolton debut in the EFL cup Vs Sheffield Weds tonight, winning 3-0 at the mo, 70 mins gone, got an assist for the third goal.

Glad to hear he's got his first start tonight

 

[alwaysblue]

Anthony Robinson Made his Bolton debut in the EFL cup Vs Sheffield Weds tonight, winning 3-0 at the mo, 70 mins gone, got an assist for the third goal.

Made his debut in the last game against Crewe

 

[bluebud]

Made his debut in the last game against Crewe

ahh missed that, first start anyway, finished 3-2, played the full 90 mins.

 

[Barnfred 55]

ahh missed that, first start anyway, finished 3-2, played the full 90 mins.

Had a look at their forums. Very little comment but mainly positive. One saying he is clearly better than some other player who is presumably the incumbent left back. Another saying he should start Friday.

Early days but if he can force his way into the team that's a start.

My concern is that Bolton are not a good team and I think will struggle in this league. Robinson is a very attack minded full back and struggling teams tend to go very defensive. So he may find game time hard to come by as the season progresses.

 

[degsy]

Williams is going downhill rapidly. In another 12 months I can't see him starting at all, so would you rather have an aging Williams as a squad player or Browning? Obviously door #3 is someone else entirely.

Door #3 please.

 

[atrottel]

EFL Carabao Cup
Bolton Wanderers - Antonee Robinson played full match and notched an assist in a 3-2 home win over Sheffield Wednesday

OS Match Report
"As the game reached its half hour mark, although neither goalkeeper had been really tested, it was definitely Bolton who were in the ascendancy with Antonee Robinson causing numerous problems for the visitors down the left flank."
"Buoyed by their second, Bolton were oozing confidence and following a period of pressure from the visitors as they looked for a route back into the match, they made it three courtesy of a beautifully taken looping header by Karacan from a Robinson cross with 25 minutes remaining."

Twitter stuff
@Antonee_Jedi with a forceful challenge during the opening moments here at Macron Stadium. Feisty one you are! (25) #BWFC 0-0 #SWFC
GOOOAAALLL!!! What a cross, what a header, what a goal! Lovely @Antonee_Jedi cross, quality @JemKaracan6 header! (64) #BWFC 3-0 #SWFC

Fan comments
"Anyhow, some very good things, two wing backs were excellent, though Robinson visibly struggled second half when Wednesday targeted him defensively. But both wing backs had pace and offered options up the pitch."
"Robinson played very well and will be in ahead of Taylor before long."
"Saturday I would play Alnwick , Robinson and wilbraham Think they earned a place"
"It took 45 minutes to see that Robinson is easily a better option than Taylor for left wing back."

Tyias Browning and Brendan Galloway were not in match-day squad for Sunderland.

 

[blueloon]

EFL Carabao Cup
Bolton Wanderers - Antonee Robinson played full match and notched an assist in a 3-2 home win over Sheffield Wednesday

OS Match Report
"As the game reached its half hour mark, although neither goalkeeper had been really tested, it was definitely Bolton who were in the ascendancy with Antonee Robinson causing numerous problems for the visitors down the left flank."
"Buoyed by their second, Bolton were oozing confidence and following a period of pressure from the visitors as they looked for a route back into the match, they made it three courtesy of a beautifully taken looping header by Karacan from a Robinson cross with 25 minutes remaining."

Twitter stuff
@Antonee_Jedi with a forceful challenge during the opening moments here at Macron Stadium. Feisty one you are! (25) #BWFC 0-0 #SWFC
GOOOAAALLL!!! What a cross, what a header, what a goal! Lovely @Antonee_Jedi cross, quality @JemKaracan6 header! (64) #BWFC 3-0 #SWFC

Fan comments
"Anyhow, some very good things, two wing backs were excellent, though Robinson visibly struggled second half when Wednesday targeted him defensively. But both wing backs had pace and offered options up the pitch."
"Robinson played very well and will be in ahead of Taylor before long."
"Saturday I would play Alnwick , Robinson and wilbraham Think they earned a place"
"It took 45 minutes to see that Robinson is easily a better option than Taylor for left wing back."

Tyias Browning and Brendan Galloway were not in match-day squad for Sunderland.

With his pre season first team tour a few years ago and long lay off through injury it's easy to forget he's only just turned 20. He's always been a good attacking full back , I'm hoping this loan will require him to develop his defensive capabilities. It's a tough call , as a comparison both Garbutt and Galloway were getting first team action at around about his age but neither so far have kicked on, hopefully he will develop as we want him too. As his loan is only until January he's going to have to make an impact in the next few months.