I'm in no position to judge. The Iraqi people who can now vote suggest so though, as do the facts, as do the mass graves that have been uncovered.
I would hope so - as would all the fallen soldiers.
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I'm in no position to judge. The Iraqi people who can now vote suggest so though, as do the facts, as do the mass graves that have been uncovered.
I would hope so - as would all the fallen soldiers.
DENNIS STEVENS
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Britain's hand was not forced, we had no need to declare war on Germany at that point in proceedings.
Whether there is or whether there isn't is beside the point isn't it? Surely the loss of human life should be regarded as something to strive towards, yet we seem no nearer to resolving conflict without losing lives on a huge scale.
Suffice to say that I don't envy soldiers one bit. It's an incredibly difficult and thankless job. My ire is with the politicians who so easily send them off to do battle because their diplomatic skills were found wanting.
You mention WW2. I'll see that and raise you WW1. It's difficult to think of a more barbaric waste of human life. 19,000 British soldiers died on the first day of fighting in the Somme. We remember the sacrifices these poor men made, but we certainly don't learn from them.
You can't disagree with that, reluctance to go to war so soon after WW1 was a massive, massive mistake.
We were, Dunc was spot on.
DENNIS STEVENS
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Can't say as I follow your logic on that one. Maybe time will tell & in a decade or so it'll be possible to look back & say it was worth it, but let's not pretend it had anything to do with Saddam's crimes against humanity - the west were happy to support him & will continue to tolerate genocidal dictators around the globe without taking any action unless it suits them to.
The point was Bruce, your arguing that theres no point in war because there will always be conflict.
WW2 is one example of how thats wrong.
What next? Scrap the police force because there will always be crime?
DENNIS STEVENS
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Utter tosh on both counts.
Intentions are irrelevant and another matter all together.
Facts suggest the Iraqi people have a better life now than they did under Saddams reign.
:huh:
:blink:Surely your not suggesting it wasn't a mistake to not take Hitler to task sooner?
And to suggest war was declared on a whim, rather than forced is incredibly foolish. The timing of when Britain declared war gives you all the clues you need to know.
Think we may have our wires crossed. I'm saying that war seems pointless because we never learn from them. Do you think being able to resolve conflicts peacefully is a worthwhile goal? It doesn't seem one that politicians are capable of aiming for. The 20th century was the bloodiest in history and it seems certain that the 21st will surpass that quite comfortably. If the point of war is to provide a peaceful society afterwards then it would seem that war fails abjectly at the task.
SuitsBlueX2
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Britain knew of the horror of the holocaust, the persecution, the ethnic cleansing. And Britains hand was forced, the Polish borders were guaranteed and when they goose stepped over them it was war. Regardless of how wronged they had been during WWI. (Heavens, the French knew they were on the way for over a decade, hence the 'defensive wall' they built that the Nazis went round.)
DENNIS STEVENS
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Intentions are irrelevant and another matter all together.
Facts suggest the Iraqi people have a better life now than they did under Saddams reign.
:huh:
Surely your not suggesting it wasn't a mistake to not take Hitler to task sooner?
And to suggest war was declared on a whim, rather than forced is incredibly foolish. The timing of when Britain declared war gives you all the clues you need to know.
Yes thank goodness we declared war to help poor Poland, even though it didn't actually help them at all :blink:
What do you think the reason should be for any Government to go to war?
DENNIS STEVENS
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Still sounds like utter tosh to me.
I would hope we do. I know thats idealistic but if there was any lesson to be learned from WW2, it was the importance of intervention and how the world can't stand by and allow your Hitlers and Husseins of this world to do as they please.
Of course, but do I think its realistic?
How would you resolve Hitler without war?
Because its fashionable to go to war? War gets you votes?....
If anything, its the opposite that we should be concerned about.
Thats never going to happen though is it? But that doesn't mean all wars are pointless, does it?
SuitsBlueX2
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I cannot get onside with that. The crimes Saddam commit were due to different areas at conflict with each other and his was the biggest stick and he punished accordingly to him. He was not right to do what he did, but the power vacuum provided by ousting the person (Saddam) the British and the US put in place to be the Wests man in the East has cost the real sufferers far more than having one maniac trying to be the big boss. On top of all that, Iraqs neighbour Iran has got itchy feet and allegedly been pushing nuclear capability. Why should anyone else have and not them? See how easy it is to divide and conquer? Present injustice, present hypocrisy, present a picture of your enemy and use it to gather support.
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