Can Everton still be considered a “big club”?

Are Everton still a big club?

  • Yes

    Votes: 124 59.0%

  • No

    Votes: 59 28.1%

  • About the same lad

    Votes: 27 12.9%
  • Total voters
    210
We aren't a big club anymore. We have finished in the bottom half for many seasons now and haven't won anything since 95 which is 30 years ago and not won the league for 2 generations.

We have the potential to be big again, but for kids growing up now, if you say we won the league last in the 80s that seems an eternity ago to them.

Let's try to not kid ourselves about this
 

bluelife said:
The unequivocal top 10 order:

  1. United
  2. RS
  3. Arsenal
  4. Everton
  5. Villa
  6. Chelsea
  7. City
  8. Forest
  9. Leeds
  10. Spurs
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What metrics are you using?

That top 10 could easily change depending on what you are basing this on.

For example;

Trophies.: You are wrong, as we are further down that list now. Then are we grading the trophies won. You would say the league is the biggest but even then are we not downgrading the last RS win and are we not saying that this is the worst season for quality in a long time. So should we not give less 'big club' points to those wins. Maybe a few other clubs we could judge the overall quality of teams and judge the trophy wins on that. Who you played in the run up to a cup win could also be factored in.

Shirt sales: I very much doubt we would make it in the top 10. We are not a 'have to wear colours' style fanbase. We are not a 'we must buy all merchandise available, walk around town like the club shop vomited on you' style fanbase. I would not be surprised to see the RS way ahead on merchandise/shirt sales.

Social media following, who cares but I assume that there would be a difference in what your list says.

Value of team: Another factor as surely who has the most expensive players can be added to the mix. This could easily change your order.

If it is just an opinion based on some, all and/or more than the above then fair enough, but it certainly is not an 'unequivocal' list.

My list is:

1: Everton
1: Barrow

End of list.
 
Everton used to be in the top 5 most succesful clubs in England with Aston Villa.

Not anymore.

english-major-trophies-all-time.webp
 

Bkk Andy said:
And yet Chelsea's trophy list is way more impressive than ours.
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Overall yes but the 2 top trophies to win are the League and European Cup/CL.

Chelsea have 6+2 = 8
We have 9+0 = 9

The other Cups are great to win but anyone can win one of them within reason. That's why clubs like Swansea and Wigan have won domestic cups in recent times.

No one can fluke a League Title over a season and it'd be extremely difficult to go all the way in the European Cup/CL without having an extremely strong team.

Obviously Chelsea's overall success has been better but not for the top trophies.
 
Lanolin said:
I think we're generally regarded (fairly in my opinion) as being a big club but not a massive one. Most people would put us in a pot with Villa, Newcastle etc in the bracket below the top 6 or whatever you want to call them. I don't really go in for ranking clubs by size but I think there's a respect for our history, fanbase, and longevity that means neutrals see as being 'big' to a reasonable extent.
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Definitely in the tier below them.
 

TraffordBlue said:
Overall yes but the 2 top trophies to win are the League and European Cup/CL.

Chelsea have 6+2 = 8
We have 9+0 = 9

The other Cups are great to win but anyone can win one of them within reason. That's why clubs like Swansea and Wigan have won domestic cups in recent times.

No one can fluke a League Title over a season and it'd be extremely difficult to go all the way in the European Cup/CL without having an extremely strong team.

Obviously Chelsea's overall success has been better but not for the top trophies.
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I'd rather have Chelsea's trophy haul over ours any day of the week.

Anyone who says no is clearly a liar or a fool.
 
I’d like to think we are “bigger “ than this

www.bbc.co.uk

Newcastle fan finally drinks 29-year-old beer saved for trophy win

John Booth finally opens a can given to him in expectation of a league title in 1996.
www.bbc.co.uk

A can of beer saved for 29 years by a football fan waiting for his team to secure a major trophy has finally been drunk after Newcastle United won the Carabao Cup on Sunday.

John Booth, from Kendal, Cumbria, kept the can of Newcastle Brown Ale in the fridge since 1996 when it was given to him at a barbeque by a Liverpool supporter.
 
Counting trophies is one way of measuring it, which seems a bit daft if your owner was allowed to buy your way to success. Another way of looking at it, would be the performance of a football club that is running off nothing but its own revenue, which was all seventeen years of Kenwright's tenure, and a good four years in the latter part of Moshiri's era. We also built a brand new stadium during that time, with our own revenue. The loans used to buy the stadium were secured by Everton, and not by any chairman!

The fact that we did relatively well compared to the vast majority of the footballing pyramid for a period of 20 years, whilst living off nothing but our own revenue suggests Everton are a big club. There aren't that many clubs that could survive in the Premier League with zero investment over a seventeen year period. Zero investment over seventeen years would see most clubs go under.

I'm obviously in favour of investment, it's the name of the game, you can't compete without investment! But our performance having been starved of investment indicates that we are a big club imo.
 
Rooney_Tunes said:
Definitely in the tier below them.
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It's a movable feast obviously, but i'm talking in general terms. At this very moment when Villa are in the CL knockouts and Newcastle have won a trophy days ago then yes people would probably put us below them, 8 years ago when they were both in the Championship and we were smashing City 4-0 on our way to European qualification they would have put us above them. Generally speaking, they would put us together.
 

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