Everton play like 'Stoke'

[Steve0]

It's ok Stevie was right all along. Our long balls were 'real' long balls, their long balls were just from the midfield!

That's an actual quote i've just read, think it's on the Independent link.

 

[Neiler]

Anyone else thinking of wearing a Stoke shirt - to the Grayskull derby.

 

[Little Ralphy]

Who cares? Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge will know the reality of not only this game but the season so far.

I couldn't give a rats ass if some armchair in Devon never gets beyond the headline & believes a load of old pony.

It's irrelevant to us.

But that, in part is how History is remembered. If Moyes came out and said they kicked us off the park, and the examples are there to support it, it becomes mainstream, you get a few pundits picking up on their heavy handed approach, and how they get away with it and before you know it, it gets highlighted and they start picking up more yellow cards in games.

Same logic for the way we play, people are already picking up on Everton's passing style, but start to promote it a little more like above and suddenly we may find ourselves with an extra tv game. It sounds far fetched but it's how it works. It's the casual supporters who tend to be the deciding factor in things like this.

The rs already have their ex-players coming out and saying their 'new passing mentality' is nothing new, trying to make sure that their own contribution to history isn't forgotten and re-written by rodgers with his big 'media' offence.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Even the Beeb are on to him:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20135129

Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard has likened Everton to Stoke, claiming their rivals used long-ball tactics during Sunday's Merseyside derby.
The Premier League match at Goodison Park ended 2-2 after Luis Suarez's late 'goal' for Liverpool was ruled out.
Gerrard, 32, said: "Every single time they get the ball to the goalkeeper it comes in long.
"There was only one team who came to play football and that was us. Everton are not better than us."

The statistics, however, showed that Everton enjoyed greater possession, made more passes and completed proportionally fewer long passes than Liverpool.
Gerrard added: "I thought we were fantastic and stood up to a team that are very similar to Stoke.
"Everton are effective because they have some big, physical lads in the team. We had a young, small team out there who were men and stuck together."
The draw lifted Everton to fifth in the table. They are seven places and six points ahead of Liverpool.

 

[Joey66]

They have derw 0-0 at home!

 

[Walken]

Its not just the media who are on to them, every single neutral has blasted them, the suarez affair has outed them nationally as what they truely are, a bunch of deranged sycophants

 

[davek]

But that, in part is how History is remembered. If Moyes came out and said they kicked us off the park, and the examples are there to support it, it becomes mainstream, you get a few pundits picking up on their heavy handed approach, and how they get away with it and before you know it, it gets highlighted and they start picking up more yellow cards in games.

Same logic for the way we play, people are already picking up on Everton's passing style, but start to promote it a little more like above and suddenly we may find ourselves with an extra tv game. It sounds far fetched but it's how it works. It's the casual supporters who tend to be the deciding factor in things like this.

The rs already have their ex-players coming out and saying their 'new passing mentality' is nothing new, trying to make sure that their own contribution to history isn't forgotten and re-written by rodgers with his big 'media' offence.

Bang on the money.

 

[caught]

Even the Beeb are on to him:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20135129

Front page, with comments streaming in. Fairly democratic way to show he's an imbecile.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Front page, with comments streaming in. Fairly democratic way to show he's an imbecile.

I can't be arsed reading the comments but I'd imagine it's Kopites versus The World.

 

[davek]

Even the Beeb are on to him:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20135129

All that did was to emphasise Liverpool's line about a long ball game. No one goes away thinking about the stats that contradict it.

Moyes is so naive. I dont know where the other Moyes has gone: the feller who came into Goodison and took control of the imagery and identity of Merseyside football with his People's Club comment. That had them rocking for years. It was a masterstroke. Where's that feller gone to? Where's the present day Moyes' understanding of how this football culture of ours ticks?

He's let us down here. It's still not too late, btw. Our media machine should be even now slinging in the word to media outlets about how we were hacked and stopped in our tracks by a team only intent on spoiling a game of football. Moyes in particular should be getting out there and putting things right.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Cmon lads, this is classic. His boss is making out that Liverpool play silky football. They're doing awfully at the moment and struggled against us, often being outplayed into the bargain.

He's simply playing up to the old stereotype of us as honest battlers, whilst making his own lot feel better about the apparent lovely football they play.

Don't get sucked in by it all. He's doing it for his lot, not us.

 

[Wizbit]

I think hes sounding very bitter.

Hey! That's our job!

 

[Baines' left foot]

All that did was to emphasise Liverpool's line about a long ball game. No one goes away thinking about the stats that contradict it.

Moyes is so naive. I dont know where the other Moyes has gone: the feller who came into Goodison and took control of the imagery and identity of Merseyside football with his People's Club comment. That had them rocking for years. It was a masterstroke. Where's that feller gone to? Where's the present day Moyes' understanding of how this football culture of ours ticks?

He's let us down here. It's still not too late, btw. Our media machine should be even now slinging in the word to media outlets about how we were hacked and stopped in our tracks by a team only intent on spoiling a game of football. Moyes in particular should be getting out there and putting things right.

The BBC do disagree with him though, albeit rather weakly.

I agree he should have lamented them after the game, as Rodgers and Gerrard did in such a condescending manner. He should have stuck it right to them and labelled them cheats, yard dogs etc..

 

[davek]

Cmon lads, this is classic. His boss is making out that Liverpool play silky football. They're doing awfully at the moment and struggled against us, often being outplayed into the bargain.

He's simply playing up to the old stereotype of us as honest battlers, whilst making his own lot feel better about the apparent lovely football they play.

Don't get sucked in by it all. He's doing it for his lot, not us.

It's a stereotype we've worked hard to shift and it's important it's countered and crushed immediately because it can be corrosive on our image.

Dont underestimate the danger of this.

 

[toffeejack]

I understand that Gerrard's remarks are being framed as untruths by the bulk of the media, but that's not how it works in terms of determining what went on. Ask anyone with a passing interest in football now what went on in the game on Sunday and the only thing they're hearing in the background noise are the words: EVERTON LONG BALL...and that mud will stick beyond that game. We needed to muddy the waters by countering so that the words LIVERPOOL ASSAULTED EVERTON are uppermost in neutral's minds.

They know how to play this game and Moyes is leaden-footed on how it all works. For the benefit of the fans he should have been a lot cuter than what he was post match. Just saying Suarez left his foot in on one challenge wasn't enough. A big soundbite was called for.

to be fair, last year before the game he said the ref needs to be strong as the game could hinge on a decision - result - rodwell sent off. There's no guarantee that what he says will determine a positive effect on us. He said suarez should have been sent off and i do agree with you that he should have stated that it shouldn't have been a goal anyway, but i think he's just taking the piss. There have been plenty of instances in the past where there's been a similar situation and he's pointed out a foul that should have been anyway and thus justice was done. He deep down knows that he has had nowhere near the rub of the green off officials and to think we may have got lucky, he's just going to go with it and rub it in their faces - to me that's better than sounding all whiny like gerrard and saying well it shouldn't have been a free kick anyway or a foul in the build up.

With regards to gerrard's comments, if he gets asked about it pre-fulham, you know he'll laugh it off and point to all the flair players we have and specific stats. It will make him laugh, guaranteed. If teams are going to be deluded and listen to gerrards comments and set up against us as if they were playing stoke, they'd be in for a massive shock - of course the premier league is a multi billion profession so that will never happen