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6 + 2 Point Deductions

Neiler said:
Their breach was for the cycle up to June 23. The same cycle we were in breach of and received a 8 point deduction. They were a PL club for all that cycle.

The PL didn’t have jurisdiction to do anything in the 23/24 in the EFL and commission ruled today, they don’t have any jurisdiction to do anything 24/25.

Conversely a separate EFL commission found that the EFL didn’t have jurisdiction to look for a business plan from them last Spring.

Essentially and clearly means that the rules can’t be applied for all those competing, amongst the 20 PL clubs and the Championship.

If a precedent has been set that the PL don’t have Jurisdiction over the EFL how can it apply EFL PSR thresholds in the PL.

It even calls into question the integrity of the EFL - if I was getting relegated - I’d spend a fortune from May - June 30th and make sure I came straight back up - absolutely no consequences.

If I was Burnley and Leeds I’d be dropping 150 mill in the championship in Jan to make sure I came up with no consequence.

Essentially it’s one rule for one competing club and different rules for other competing clubs,
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Nope, EFL Rules changed this summer in the wake of the Leicester debacle.

Clubs entering the Championship from either end have to submit varied types of info by 30th June ahead of the upcoming season. In the EFL Handbook.

The EFL despite Leicester wanting them to lift the Embargo in Spring 2024 at a Heading as it was premature, they didn't lift it- that being for the Forecast Breach to June 2024.

They also reportedly passed on the Leicester 2024 case to the PL as the Rules allow where they are aligned.

The Football League now have additionally aligned to the 31st December for prior year Accounts.
 
I'm going to have to seek out a full breakdown tomorrow, I'm not particularly fussed Leicester aren't getting done, it's a horrible thing to go through. That said, it just shows how much we contempt we are held in. I'm also angry with the clowns at the club as it'll take some convincing for me now that we couldn't have had a better appeal.
 
catcherintherye said:
Just to add, Leeds were selling players, on the proviso that they needed to do so to be compliant. That was false information as per this judgement. They didn't need to do so. So look, there are legal ramifications all over the place.
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If you mean this Summer, not necessarily as EFL Rules kicked in fully come 31st March 2024 with the Future Financial Information which can bind a club. They will have been working under that to an extent.

EFL have something now called Forecast Annual Accounts and clearer definition and APR- Accounting Reference Period, APR+1 and APR+2 can be relevant for analysis and compliance etc.
 

In respect of Leicester, the EFL wanted them for equality of Regulation reasons under a Business Plan in November/December 2023 as they believed they were on track go breach to 2023-24 and that they had failed to 2022-23.

EFL said 2022-23 was 'T', therefore a fail in T means a Business Plan moving forward. Business Plan can he encoded in Real Time- had the EFL won that case it would've meant a Leicester firesale in January 2024 to get ready for March or face the consequences.

By firesale, I mean sell as many players as needed to get compliant.

Leicester correctly argued that 'T' was 2023-24, has the Rules been fully aligned I suppose the PL could have passed on info to EFL in Summer 2023 post Relegation..

Whereas because of the EFL early intervention in which 'T' means atm, they can correctly pass on any case to last season to the PL. The issue is that the PL seem not to impose such Future Requirements or Embargo in March based on a Forecast Fail.
 
Mr Popodopolous said:
In respect of Leicester, the EFL wanted them for equality of Regulation reasons under a Business Plan in November/December 2023 as they believed they were on track go breach to 2023-24 and that they had failed to 2022-23.

EFL said 2022-23 was 'T', therefore a fail in T means a Business Plan moving forward. Business Plan can he encoded in Real Time- had the EFL won that case it would've meant a Leicester firesale in January 2024 to get ready for March or face the consequences.

By firesale, I mean sell as many players as needed to get compliant.

Leicester correctly argued that 'T' was 2023-24, has the Rules been fully aligned I suppose the PL could have passed on info to EFL in Summer 2023 post Relegation..

Whereas because of the EFL early intervention in which 'T' means atm, they can correctly pass on any case to last season to the PL. The issue is that the PL seem not to impose such Future Requirements or Embargo in March based on a Forecast Fail.
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Not being funny mate, but you come across like a PL bot reviewing forums to feedback to the mother ship.

You appear every time PSR is in the cross hairs.

Curiously you joined March 23, the same month we were first charged.

If your talking to Richard, tell him he’s a tool from me.
 
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There is huge correlation between punishment and the revenue and exposure the team brings the PL from foreign markets. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence though
 
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irishtony1878 said:
have we still got a points deduction hanging over us?
I guarantee it will be applied if we have
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Yes, we still have a potential points deduction hanging over us. The second Independent Commission did not rule on a stadium interest expense issue, they essentially kicked the can down the road. To my knowledge, another hearing on that issue has not yet been scheduled. Then of course, let's hope we are not in breach of the most recent 3 year PSR period ending 30 June (most reports suggest the sales of Godfrey/Dobbin helped get us under the PSR loss amount of 105 Mil over 3 years, but we really won't be certain until accounts are revealed to the PL after year end I believe, so we should know if there is any problem there in January).

On the Leicester City issue, it seems they escaped on a technicality (they added an extra month to their accounting period if I understand correctly, from 31 May to 30 June, which apparently is allowed, but in so doing, the PL apparently therefore no longer had jurisdiction when they were relegated). The rules are basically screwed up as we all know. What I don't quite understand is that there is a method for a 3 year PSR assessment when teams come up from the Championship (the 105 Mil number is lowered), but there is no method to assess when they go down but were in the PL for some of the 3 year period? What a mess.
 


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