6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Bez2k2k]

according to the Athletic, Everton argued 14.5mil on interest for stadium loans be offset which was denied.
That leaves 5mil
Loss on Gylfi is easily above that, but denied. Probably because we didn't sue him.
The facts are we cooperated, our transfer dealings the last few years prove that.
We shouldn't have cooperated, because the punishment for such a small overspend is ridiculously high, and would've been similar if we had told the PL figure it out themselves, then appealled on every detail brought up, like City have done and will do despite everybody knowing they have done far worse

Besides, there is an almost fully built stadium on the banks of the Mersey that wasn't won in a lucky bag. I'm sure you'll agree that contributed to our financial issues and is worth a lot more than 19.5mil

So, now I’ve seen this I agree. But we can’t argue for interest on loans which were taken, not used for the stadium, but used for other things, because Moshiri used his own money instead. That was dumb but we can’t argue this.

What we could of argued is that Sigurdsson left us no transfer value and therefore no income from his departure and also the war in Ukraine affected current and future sponsorship, not 6 points which 4 of them where a bit stupid.

 

[RD2910]

Sure

I get the sarcasm mate, but it was factually correct to say that your statement was factually incorrect.

 

[cantlivewithem]

On the two years in question that clubs are looking to sue us for 21-22 and 22-23 Our net transfer spend was less than that of Burnley, Leeds and Leicester, Forest and Southampton. We were also the only club out of those to have more players leave than come in. Surely an idiot can argue there was 'on the balance of probabilities' no competitive advantage on the field that kept us up over any of those teams

 

[Toffeepot]

So, now I’ve seen this I agree. But we can’t argue for interest on loans which were taken, not used for the stadium, but used for other things, because Moshiri used his own money instead. That was dumb but we can’t argue this.

What we could of argued is that Sigurdsson left us no transfer value and therefore no income from his departure and also the war in Ukraine affected current and future sponsorship, not 6 points which 4 of them where a bit stupid.

As far as I know, the year we got planning, interest from an owner-loan was allowable as a right-off but the following year it changed, which would obviously make adapting difficult. The loss of sponsorship due to Ukraine war hit us hard but I think that was viewed as a normal everyday occurences(paraphrasing) by the commission, which on the face of it is ridiculous.
I can see the points deduction being reduced on appeal, but I can also see us as being the only club to suffer a points deduction for such a small overspend following new rules/government regulator, which would come as no suprise to any Evertonian

I'm still shocked the penalty was so high, especially with so much cooperation.

 

[PhilEFC]

I see the mysonigistic Hairy Hands and daughter’s friend gooser Keys has told us to suck it up.

Oh alright then Richard, you man of high morals.

 

[NathDogg]

Loving how a few are pushing this “sporting advantage” baloney on here of all places. Inferred or otherwise, gtf!

Definitely not Evertonians.

We have seen on the pitch that there clearly wasn’t a sporting advantage ffs, or we wouldn’t have been in the position we have been.

The arguments that we should have planned for WW3 and covid surely give us grounds to have this farce kicked out.

Most sizeable businesses has continuity plans or crisis management procedures in place, and I am sure that Everton have this, but these are only to deal with the after effects of said crises occurring and how you recover - you don’t change how you operate & run your business because putin may invade Ukraine???

To be hit with a points deduction of any kind is a gross over egging of the punishment pudding, especially after working in lockstep with the PL, having transfers signed off, an enforced wage cap etc - what was the point of doing that?!

A monetary fine with conditions of potential points deduction if we breached again would have been more than sufficient for the offence.

Talk of accepting a 4-6 point deduction should be shelved as well, that’s a disgrace - I’m done with the PL and it’s phoneys and all blues should be.

 

[ashwuk76]

Loving how a few are pushing this “sporting advantage” baloney on here of all places. Inferred or otherwise, gtf!

Definitely not Evertonians.

We have seen on the pitch that there clearly wasn’t a sporting advantage ffs, or we wouldn’t have been in the position we have been.

The arguments that we should have planned for WW3 and covid surely give us grounds to have this farce kicked out.

Most sizeable businesses has continuity plans or crisis management procedures in place, and I am sure that Everton have this, but these are only to deal with the after effects of said crises occurring and how you recover - you don’t change how you operate & run your business because putin may invade Ukraine???

To be hit with a points deduction of any kind is a gross over egging of the punishment pudding, especially after working in lockstep with the PL, having transfers signed off, an enforced wage cap etc - what was the point of doing that?!

A monetary fine with conditions of potential points deduction if we breached again would have been more than sufficient for the offence.

Talk if accepting a 4-6 point deduction should be shelved as well, that’s a disgrace - I’m done with the PL and it’s phoneys and all blues should be.

alright "Mr Everton blue blood the only Everton fan ever" lol

my god can't even have a debate without now being told we are Evertonians!! stop this petty stuff.

 

[Toffeepot]

This is what is ultimately so infuriating. The regulations are there (apparently) to protect clubs from financial ruin and ending up in administration.

We have worked with the PL to avoid this exact problem through prudent transfer window expenditure (a policy that has already punished team performance already with our best players like James, Richarlison, Gordon, Digne leaving and cheaper worse players replacing them) resulting in two back to back relegation battles)

Just at the point when we are finally coming back into compliance we are punished with a sporting penalty (despite the ruling claiming no sporting advantage has been earned) and are now threatened with a relegation and lawsuit that could lead to our financial oblivion, the very thing the regulations are supposed to protect against.

If P&S didn’t exist we would have not sold our best players, bought more during the January transfer windows in seasons we were struggling, finished higher in the league, probably kept previous managers potentially even Ancelotti, not have incurred this points deduction, not have incurred the inherent fine of lost prize money for league places lost this season. We’d also have probably been bought out now by investors who knew they had a chance of competing rather than knowing they can’t spend a bean even if they want to.

In short the regulations have done entirely what the top teams wanted them to do which is destroy their competition. We’ve been first but watch what occurs if Newcastle Villa don’t make the CL and Forest Wolves don’t sell enough players.

People can bleat on on here about how Everton didn’t follow the rules but those rules were in place purely to prevent incursions into the elite of the game.

These rules, crippling injuries, the war in Ukraine, player x issue, have absolutely decimated the club before you even get into our board’s incompetence during the period. By some miracle we’ve actually survived and built a new stadium and just at the point when we’re scraping ourselves off the ropes and ready to potentially start think about moving upwards again the league have just come in and absolutely shattered us with a penalty that will certainly impact this season if not also next season if we get relegated and even if not certainly in terms of potential transfer targets view of us.

I just can’t believe people are being so blasé about it ‘maybe it will only be 6 points’ ‘we did break the rules etc.’ ‘we’ll stay up anyway’ ‘the club will bind together, can’t wait for Sunday’ ‘as long as City and Chelsea are punished’ - it’s one of the biggest most blatantly unfair disgraces in the history of professional football that we’ve received this punishment. In effect the PL with their P&S rules and the independent commission in how they’ve upheld them have taken it on themselves to try and destroy Everton football club, and other clubs similar, as competitive entities at the top of the game.

The club should be at war with the PL from this day forward and should have the defamation lawsuit ready to go for reputational and financial damages.

Cooperating was our first mistake. I expect other clubs to not cooperate, set up labyrinthine blocks to where the bodies are buried and cover everything with rocks because they've seen what has happened to Everton for trying to do the 'right' thing.
The right thing is two fingers

 

[ashwuk76]

Cooperating was our first mistake. I expect other clubs to not cooperate, set up labyrinthine blocks to where the bodies are buried and cover everything with rocks because they've seen what has happened to Everton for trying to do the 'right' thing.
The right thing is two fingers

why do you think chelsea and man city haven't co-operated...

 

[RD2910]

Loving how a few are pushing this “sporting advantage” baloney on here of all places. Inferred or otherwise, gtf!

Definitely not Evertonians.

We have seen on the pitch that there clearly wasn’t a sporting advantage ffs, or we wouldn’t have been in the position we have been.

The arguments that we should have planned for WW3 and covid surely give us grounds to have this farce kicked out.

Most sizeable businesses has continuity plans or crisis management procedures in place, and I am sure that Everton have this, but these are only to deal with the after effects of said crises occurring and how you recover - you don’t change how you operate & run your business because putin may invade Ukraine???

To be hit with a points deduction of any kind is a gross over egging of the punishment pudding, especially after working in lockstep with the PL, having transfers signed off, an enforced wage cap etc - what was the point of doing that?!

A monetary fine with conditions of potential points deduction if we breached again would have been more than sufficient for the offence.

Talk if accepting a 4-6 point deduction should be shelved as well, that’s a disgrace - I’m done with the PL and it’s phoneys and all blues should be.

I would absolutely agree with you. Everton's misspending over the last few years has hampered them with any number of sporting disadvantages. It is absurd to pick a precedent from an unrelated Sheffield Wednesday case claiming that any breach automatically infers a sporting advantage. Especially over the last couple of years to which the charge relates, it makes no sense. Everton were sporting disadvantaging themselves all over the place.

But to properly argue that, people need to understand that the ruling says there was a sporting advantage. I haven't seen anyone on here, least of all me, agreeing with them that there actually was one.

 

[Lob]

 

[Moomin]

Cooperating was our first mistake. I expect other clubs to not cooperate, set up labyrinthine blocks to where the bodies are buried and cover everything with rocks because they've seen what has happened to Everton for trying to do the 'right' thing.
The right thing is two fingers

Everyones accounts have to be audited independently and signed off.

In this instance we are in the wrong, we even admitted guilt before the commision after saying we were innocent for months.

According to the report we were given plenty of warnings and tried to mislead them over the stadium loans.

Only thing we can contest is the level of punishment.

 

[Toffeepot]

why do you think chelsea and man city haven't co-operated...

I think because they know their breaches are huge and borderline systemic in their operations for a long time. Our ruling will only make them more determined to make it awkward.
We obviously thought cooperating would help with the punishment(it usually does in real courts), and also by some commitment to the rules we agreed upon we cooperated in the spirit of adherence.
More fools us

 

[N.S.N.O.]

On the two years in question that clubs are looking to sue us for 21-22 and 22-23 Our net transfer spend was less than that of Burnley, Leeds and Leicester, Forest and Southampton. We were also the only club out of those to have more players leave than come in. Surely an idiot can argue there was 'on the balance of probabilities' no competitive advantage on the field that kept us up over any of those teams

Apart from all this, there's one obvious reason why clubs like Leeds and Southampton in particular CANNOT sue us.....3 teams get relegated, they were 19th and 20th, so both would have been relegated no matter what we had done

 

[mahermi1]

As far as I know, the year we got planning, interest from an owner-loan was allowable as a right-off but the following year it changed, which would obviously make adapting difficult. The loss of sponsorship due to Ukraine war hit us hard but I think that was viewed as a normal everyday occurences(paraphrasing) by the commission, which on the face of it is ridiculous.
I can see the points deduction being reduced on appeal, but I can also see us as being the only club to suffer a points deduction for such a small overspend following new rules/government regulator, which would come as no suprise to any Evertonian

I'm still shocked the penalty was so high, especially with so much cooperation.

Story in that mate, don't confide in the Police, there not there to help you, don't confide with historic England Unesco etc they won't help you build the ground, they will try and stop it, don't confide with the Premier League, they only want the fullest punishment you can get or even make one up for you.
Just hide like Man City have done, you'll be much better off.