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6 + 2 Point Deductions

ForeverBlue92 said:
Speak for yourself there chieftain !

No sanctions on USM / the Siggurdsson fiasco being accounted for = no break of the rules.

We've paid our dues in the transfer market making profits on Richarlison, Gordon, Digne, Gana etc. yet have still been done up like kippers.
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Until our wages fall significantly down from 95% of revenue, we will continue to be hamstrung and need to make profits on players every year just to stay within the rolling 3-year £105m cap.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
Completely irrelevant.

No rules would be broken had Putin not invaded Ukraine and The UK Government suspended our USM deals. You may not like that or how the club has been run in recent years but thats the reality of our £19.5m "rule break".
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Cool, how about we run the club properly and not be reliant on backhanders from our de facto owner who’s illegally involved in the club in the first place.
 
Moomin said:
They warned us every time to make sure we comply with the P&S rules.
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What were the sales of richarlison and Gordon for 100m, scotch mist? The club still had to function and operate on the pitch as best it could.
21/22 spent 36m./sold 47m
22/23. Spent 72m/sold 104m
23/24 spent 39m/ sold 82m

Yeah we were right spitting in their eye and ignoring the warnings about over spending.
Get off your knees mate.
 
MikeH72 said:
Cool, how about we run the club properly and not be reliant on backhanders from our de facto owner who’s illegally involved in the club in the first place.
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Our fans want us to be competitive though and it’s pretty much impossible given the financial disparity in the league to do that over any period of time. We managed to do it under Moyes for a while but that was pre City/Newcastle and the gap in revenue between us Liverpool/Utd and the other other London clubs has only gotten bigger.
 

Kevsleftpeg said:
Our fans want us to be competitive though and it’s pretty much impossible given the financial disparity in the league to do that over any period of time. We managed to do it under Moyes for a while but that was pre City/Newcastle and the gap in revenue between us Liverpool/Utd and the other other London clubs has only gotten bigger.
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Very true. Evertons crime is they tried to bridge a gap. Failed miserably in the recruitment to push on in this money obsessed league. Have now had 4 zero net spend transfer windows. Finally got quite a few of the errors off the wage bill. Complied and worked with the PL. And still got hammered with a record points deduction.
We're guilty of being run by someone who was clueless and reckless. But the evidence is very clear that the club were trying to rectify it.
They've looked at Everton and gone we'll hammer these. They are a big enough club that it looks like we're sending out a message, what with the Gov regulator looking over our shoulder, that we can be tough.
Take one for the team Everton and shut up.
 

Davideeyore said:
Ignoring all the "noise" - It could be argued that this breach is a technicality. And yet the punishment is quite close to being as severe as you can get when you compare to say administration.

There are so many drivers. As you said we've worked with the PL. We've admitted we breached. We've provided mitigating factors. Which by and large have been dismissed.

The no sporting gain versus sporting punishment is baffling. I've heard it suggested that we had sporting advantage by the very fact that we spent more than allowed (and broke the rules) but this was seen as accidental. So we didn't seek to gain sporting advantage. (This is more to do with the incompetent flakey running of the club). Bearing that in mind the punishment metered out - points deduction opposed to say a fine - based on first a hastily drawn up tarrif by the PL in August, and, that a fine would not be suitable given we have a wealthy owner. As pointed out in here actually, 10 points deduction on its own is a double punishment (fine) because our final table placing would (most likely!) be lower as a result therefore loss of prize money. *Maybe even the loss of European qualification.

And as we all know the breakaway 6's punishment was deemed a fine and not a points deduction. Er, do they not all have wealthy owners too? Why were they not given points deductions? "You can't punish the fans"..

This is just a can of worms. I hope Everton's legal team are better clued up in the appeal than they were for the hearing.
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Perhaps time for a new legal team too?

If possible I would replace our entire legal team regardless as they haven't covered themselves in glory and appear to have "lost" most of the arguments in this case.

Go for one of the Big US law firms with offices in London e.g. Latham & Watkins as they operate from a culture/background of litigation/counter suing, and perhaps a different KC too.

About time we made the PL and/or their "Independent Panel" sweat a bit
 
gwladysnight said:
No, I reek of someone who spent twenty minutes actually reading the report and is helping out by answering people's questions.

Maybe you should try it instead of throwing wild inaccurate accusations about which team someone supports. Using your brain and actually dispassionately analysing something shouldn't allow people like you to bully someone with a different viewpoint.
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Do you feel victimised fellow blue?

Let's all work together to overcome this unjust penalty!
 
Kevsleftpeg said:
Our fans want us to be competitive though and it’s pretty much impossible given the financial disparity in the league to do that over any period of time. We managed to do it under Moyes for a while but that was pre City/Newcastle and the gap in revenue between us Liverpool/Utd and the other other London clubs has only gotten bigger.
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Losing £100m+ per year and having a 93% wage to turnover isn’t how you “become competitive”
 
Gilbert.. said:
What were the sales of richarlison and Gordon for 100m, scotch mist? The club still had to function and operate on the pitch as best it could.
21/22 spent 36m./sold 47m
22/23. Spent 72m/sold 104m
23/24 spent 39m/ sold 82m

Yeah we were right spitting in their eye and ignoring the warnings about over spending.
Get off your knees mate.
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We broke the rules. We admitted to it and this season or last season was not the reason we had a case to answer.

Only thing we can contest is the punishment.
 
Timbucktoo said:
And City`s owners passed the FA`s fit and proper owner test too, and they have 115 charges for braking the same rules over a spell of 10 years.
I hope this is`nt another effort like their crackdown on diving where Niasse got a retrospective ban on week one, and then I can`t remember anyone else getting one, though diving hasn`t stopped.
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In literally the same game i think that Zaha took an obvious dive.
I still dont even think Niasse dived. This was also around the time salah and mane were diving in the box on a weekly basis like Tom Davies.
 

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