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6 + 2 Point Deductions
- Thread starter GrandOldTeam
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Evertonthat
Player Valuation: £8m
Fair points, although it is clear that the integrity of the independent part of this whole fiasco was comprised and this should be highlighted in our appeal.
They picked the pannel, and influenced it by publicity suggesting a 12 point penalty prior to the hearing. Its almost as if there was a hidden agenda, and this review was just a puppet show to prove they dont need regulating. Now, it couldn't be more obvious that they do.
HalfTimeSayers
Player Valuation: £30m
Be interesting to know if they also warned us that some of the mitigations they will have known we were relying on (Mr X, loss of USM cash) would be largely disregarded. We do have to be responsible for our own finances, but not great application of “special measures” if they effectively watched us walk off a cliff. Seems we relied to much on them stopping us.
The fact that Mendy is now sueing City surly now strengths this argument.
Gilbert..
Player Valuation: £50m
It still should have come into consideration that the club going foward is trading in the transfer market with a negative outlay when they decided to slap a massive 10 points down. While a club like Chelsea are literally laughing at them spending 800m using loopholes around their precious P&S.
Kevsleftpeg
Player Valuation: £8m
Yeah, we bought very badly and paid over the odds for a lot of players. The issue is recruitment. If we lived within our means we’d just a mid table club forever which no one would be happy with. Moyes was a golden age, we had decent players and weren’t extravagant but still lots of people were unhappy with our dithering on transfers and not investing enough. You’re can’t have it both ways.
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
Definitely feels that way. If we'd have obscured and deceived we'd be currently 10 points better off.
We were mugs and just bent over for our caning.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
That's why it's so frustrating we cant go outside the PL and their appeals process to the Court of Sport Arbitration: they'd read stuff like that and quash the case in an instant.
It's also the reason why the PL and their 'independent' commission have ruled in such a cavalier way - they knew there'd be no external oversight of their conduct in this case.
And that should be the basis of our defence our recent spending and how we have moved to improve our situation ( Not Chelsea, nothing to do with us )
Gilbert..
Player Valuation: £50m
The evidence was there before the record points deduction.
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
Think people are confusing the PL allowing the club to purchase players with what they've actually pulled us up on.
The stadium issue and player X are the heavy outliers that were criticised which took us over the threshold.
While player transfers where part of the financial mismanagement long term, they weren't the tipping point for the £19.5mill debated in the commission.
What Jordan was making a point at (which was interrupted by Jim White sensationalism) was on the back that clubs may sue. If the PL were closely tied to everton during that transfer business period, then those transfers financially were never an issue - and they weren't in the commission findings. So clubs trying to sue will find it difficult to based on that 1 season because those transfers didn't effect breaking P&S rules.
Those clubs will have to look over years and prove that it had an effect leading up to when they were relegated.
I don't think calling people who are on there panel they have a lack of integrity will go down well.
As i said, its a gentlemans club and the people on the appeal panel will be associates of the original panel. As for the stories in the press they can say they don't control the media and what has been reported is just hearsay and not fact.
As for the regulator that will come into effect anyway, it was in the Kings Speech last month so this punishment is not going to stop it.
And that is why we need to contest the points deduction and point to recent behaviour.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
We have an interim board, an absentee owner and we're having to get a stadium built, having our team practically start the season again in late November AND put together an appeal to a new panel.
This is completely ludicrous and beyond any club our size to contend with.
This is completely ludicrous and beyond any club our size to contend with.
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
Putin first invaded Ukraine/Crimea in 2014. 2 yrs before we'd ever heard of Usmanov. Russian sponsorship was a ropey prospect from then on. At the time of the latest Ukraine invasion, there was barely anything above ground at BMD. We carried on regardless, even despite: never being able to secure finance at any stage; losing the club and stadium sponsor; 50% increase in cost; all the subsequent interest rate increases and all of the P&S issues building against us.
Essentially, after driving the club erratically for years, employing scattergun economics throughout, building (and sometimes capitalising) more and more debt and attracting the attention of the governance/finance police, who were now in hot pursuit.....They saw the lights turn to red, but decided to accelerate! They have gambled with the club's whole future.
This isn't really about £19m. We had losses of £380m over three yrs. We'd already brushed several hundred million more under the carpet before that and mitigated comfortably the highest COVID loss claim of all premiership clubs to somehow get our losses down by £250m to £124m. We're now in the process of being sold to the first carpet baggers that we can, for a cost that will be far less than the cost of just the stadium build alone, with no idea where that final debt lands.