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brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
Absolute grim reading the last few pages.
The Premier League might be a lot of things. Sustainable, at least for the majority of its member clubs, certainly isn't one of them. To be sustainable, you have to accept mediocrity which eventually means relegation fights. You'll fall through the trap door eventually. If they can't get you on the pitch, they'll get you off it.
This is the entrenched model for the also-rans. Develop your talent, and sell to the top-six. If you're lucky you can bask in the giddiness of a temporary place in the top 8, and you might get the odd cup run, going all the way to a semi-final.
But the happy clappers in Singapore or Norway aren't going to care about that one bit. Let the top six play in Europe and they can play each other as well 6 times a year.
The Premier League might be a lot of things. Sustainable, at least for the majority of its member clubs, certainly isn't one of them. To be sustainable, you have to accept mediocrity which eventually means relegation fights. You'll fall through the trap door eventually. If they can't get you on the pitch, they'll get you off it.
This is the entrenched model for the also-rans. Develop your talent, and sell to the top-six. If you're lucky you can bask in the giddiness of a temporary place in the top 8, and you might get the odd cup run, going all the way to a semi-final.
But the happy clappers in Singapore or Norway aren't going to care about that one bit. Let the top six play in Europe and they can play each other as well 6 times a year.
If other clubs know we need to sell, then Branthwaite will be the one being looked at by other clubs.
And we simply can't last half the season with Keane or Godfrey alongside Tarks
Ferguson1878
Player Valuation: £30m
i wish they would have left the league , pointless footy not
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Isn't it obvious?
Everton's demotion would stand as a warning to other to not go there in the future.
If Everton can take a 10 point hit and still survive in their sooner dooper league, what does it say about that league? And why would a massive points deduction put off much better teams than Everton's from having a go at overspending - and I'm not just talking about the so called top 6 either - who they can take it and survive?
No, they took off enough points to sink us.
GoldenToffee
Player Valuation: £60m
Would be very Everton-like to have been on the receiving end of the harshest penalty in Premier League history, have a negative net spend for the past three years yet still fall foul of the very same rule that caused a10 point penalty in the first place. Imagine the incompetency. Surely those responsible should be pursued in a criminal court for allowing this to happen. But wait, they were all allowed to resign with a £700k golden handshake on the way out.
brieverton
Player Valuation: £50m
I think there is much in this and my worry since the verdict was announced is that the players have a psychological get out of jail free card if we do go down. It's impossible to quantify that type of affect of course, and we all hope they can use the injustice as a clarion call. But if it's in the back of my mind, surely it's in theirs. The feeling we are just doomed eventually and regardless. We are asking more from them this year than the previous two, much more.
If the worst happens, then whilst it would be official, I don't think I could ever accept the fact of it under these circumstances. Just like the kopites have an asterisk against their covid league title, we would have one too. It would be a contrived relegation and it feels like they want us out.
There was a £372m loss for the three years up to 2021; the loss for the three years up to 2022 was £304m (although as you'll know the two years in the middle were considered together as an average for the purposes of PSR because Covid).
There was a significant amount written off for Covid, about £80m I think, but that wasn't the entire difference between the total loss and the PSR loss. Other important spending on infrastructure, community, youth and women's football is deducted as well.
That's the way I understand it anyway, it's been reported really badly in some places.
Mr Popodopolous
Player Valuation: £750k
Just a small point on, afternoon all btw on the possible 2nd sanction.
In the EFL there is a form of reset once found guilty. The rules are in theory aligned so maybe it works in this way:
1) You look at the last 2 years of the 3 year period ie 2019-20 and 2020-21 average and 2021-22.
2) You run a test.. If their adjusted losses in each of the years exceed the Upper Limit of £13m you push back down to £13m. You check each separately. For £13m Championship, read £35m PL.
3) If they are at the Upper Loss limit or below ie £35m or below, you keep it at that.
This then forms the basis for the next year.
By way of example:
2019-20 and 2020-21 averaged PSR loss after all deductions £50m. This falls to £35m. Whereas if it is say £15m it remains £15m. If £35m it remains £35m.
Same again for 2021-22.
The aggregate but not average of those 2 adjustments if applicable, forms the basis of what is acceptable for the following year.
What wouldn't be acceptable IMO is just taking the losses on face value and then using it moving forward.
In the EFL there is a form of reset once found guilty. The rules are in theory aligned so maybe it works in this way:
1) You look at the last 2 years of the 3 year period ie 2019-20 and 2020-21 average and 2021-22.
2) You run a test.. If their adjusted losses in each of the years exceed the Upper Limit of £13m you push back down to £13m. You check each separately. For £13m Championship, read £35m PL.
3) If they are at the Upper Loss limit or below ie £35m or below, you keep it at that.
This then forms the basis for the next year.
By way of example:
2019-20 and 2020-21 averaged PSR loss after all deductions £50m. This falls to £35m. Whereas if it is say £15m it remains £15m. If £35m it remains £35m.
Same again for 2021-22.
The aggregate but not average of those 2 adjustments if applicable, forms the basis of what is acceptable for the following year.
What wouldn't be acceptable IMO is just taking the losses on face value and then using it moving forward.
Tony’s Carp
Player Valuation: £50m
First question at the presser about the entirely speculative Times article, that’s how these things grow legs.
this may have been covered...
but, does anyone have a timeframe on the appeal.
I read that the club are submitting their appeal tomorrow.
Is this something that will he heard and ruled on by the end of the calendar year or the football season?
but, does anyone have a timeframe on the appeal.
I read that the club are submitting their appeal tomorrow.
Is this something that will he heard and ruled on by the end of the calendar year or the football season?
gorgeousgeorgeEFC
Player Valuation: £25m
We have only lost 2 of our last 7 games and we have beaten the likes of Brentford, Palace and West Ham.
We are also in the quarters of the League Cup.
I'm proud of the players and I'm confident that they will keep us up, despite this unprecedented and disproportionate punishment.
We are also in the quarters of the League Cup.
I'm proud of the players and I'm confident that they will keep us up, despite this unprecedented and disproportionate punishment.
Martin Alvito
Player Valuation: £50m
It's been reported that the Prem wants the appeal heard and decided well before the end of the season. There's no way that happens in December, though. February or March are far more likely.
canuckblue
Player Valuation: £50m
But the initial question remains -- why do they want us out of the league in the first place? Because we were so vocal about the scab six?