Ademola Lookman

[TheBigIguana]

Bit of a re-write of history there

Dom showed quality from the off but he was constantly played out of position or isolated on his own up top depending on which manager was in control at the time

I agree that Lookman deserved more of a chance here, but let's not slander Dom with a fatuous statement just to try and win an argument

Dom was not even a 1 in 3 player before the second half of last year. It took him something like 4000 minutes of playing time for him to reach the level he's at now.

Let's see where Lookman is at the end of this year when he gets to his 4000 minutes.

And yes the managers were bad for Dom too, but the numbers are the numbers.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Dom was not even a 1 in 3 player before the second half of last year. It took him something like 4000 minutes of playing time for him to reach the level he's at now.

Let's see where Lookman is at the end of this year when he gets to his 4000 minutes.

And yes the managers were bad for Dom too, but the numbers are the numbers.

Eye test > Stats

Anyone who had a clue could watch him and see his promise

Numbers never tell the whole story and they never will

It was all on the mangers

 

[TheBigIguana]

Eye test > Stats

Anyone who had a clue could watch him and see his promise

Numbers never tell the whole story and they never will

I'm not saying he didn't have promise but he was not a good player at that point. The argument with Lookman is he didn't deserve to play because he wasn't as good as x winger when he was here. But DCL wasn't a good player either and we persisted with him because of the potential and it worked. It would have with Lookman too.

 

[DanB90]

Dom was not even a 1 in 3 player before the second half of last year. It took him something like 4000 minutes of playing time for him to reach the level he's at now.

Let's see where Lookman is at the end of this year when he gets to his 4000 minutes.

And yes the managers were bad for Dom too, but the numbers are the numbers.

LOL

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I am amused that the main defender of Lookman here has blamed the Everton management (Probably correctly to be fair) for Lookman not making it here, only to then go and talk down another player in order to make Lookman look better, when that player's plight demonstrably was down to a slew of managerial mistakes

Football everyone!

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I'm not saying he didn't have promise but he was not a good player at that point. The argument with Lookman is he didn't deserve to play because he wasn't as good as x winger when he was here. But DCL wasn't a good player either and we persisted with him because of the potential and it worked. It would have with Lookman too.

You don't need to crap on DCL by saying he wasn't a good player in order to make your point

You could very easily present it as Dom being good and not getting a chance to show his best side due to management not using him correctly, and then point out that Lookman looked promising and that he could have also done similar if used correctly

At no point did you ever have to talk down Dom for you point to stand, yet you did anyway, which isn't on IMO

 

[TheBigIguana]

You don't need to crap on DCL by saying he wasn't a good player in order to make your point

You could very easily present it as Dom being good and not getting a chance to show his best side due to management not using him correctly, and then point out that Lookman looked promising and that he could have also done similar if used correctly

At no point did you ever have to talk down Dom for you point to stand, yet you did anyway, which isn't on IMO

I'm not crapping DCL. Does it make it better if I say Dom wasn't the player he is now? I really don't mean it as a bad thing but take it how you want I guess.

 

[TheBigIguana]

LOL

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I mean you guys are all the ones who watched Lookman play and decided no actually he's not any good I'd rather watch Bernard every week instead. You can make fun of me all you want but your eyes were very wrong.

 

[Bungle]

Everton management (Probably correctly to be fair) for Lookman not making it here

Why is it Everton's fault that he didn't put the effort in to force himself into the starting XI?

The unwillingness from the lizard fella to lay any of the blame at Lookmans feet whilst simultaneously having a pop at our better players is laughable.

 

[DanB90]

I mean you guys are all the ones who watched Lookman play and decided no actually he's not any good I'd rather watch Bernard every week instead. You can make fun of me all you want but your eyes were very wrong.

I never. That would be a succession of managers across 2 different teams in 2 different leagues.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I never. That would be a succession of managers across 2 different teams in 2 different leagues.

Ok then you're the group who watches football and thinks managers are 100% right in everything they do despite 90% of them never being any good at the job. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[DanB90]

Ok then you're the group who watches football and thinks managers are 100% right in everything they do despite 90% of them never being any good at the job. Thanks for correcting me.

We were pretty dogshit for most of his time here, 100% there was places in the team up for grabs if he wanted to work for them.

I’m not defending any of the managers as I don’t like any of them, but let’s not act like none of the blame falls at the feet of the player.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Why is it Everton's fault that he didn't put the effort in to force himself into the starting XI?

The unwillingness from the lizard fella to lay any of the blame at Lookmans feet whilst simultaneously having a pop at our better players is laughable.

I'm genuinely confused why saying Dom wasn't the best player two years ago is a pop at him. Again I'm not saying he didn't have potential!! But he was a striker not scoring goals and until about March of this year you were kidding yourself if you weren't at least a bit concerned about that part. We can go into his thread if you want.

On Lookman: he tried every time he played. He just didn't play enough. People will probably tell me that I'm wrong and he didn't try but a lot of those same people said that about Iwobi for awhile too and it is also wrong there.

 

[Dymak]

Fulham is his level.

 

[TheBigIguana]

We were pretty dogshit for most of his time here, 100% there was places in the team up for grabs if he wanted to work for them.

I’m not defending any of the managers as I don’t like any of them, but let’s not act like none of the blame falls at the feet of the player.

I don't blame players for being pissed off that they aren't playing. I don't blame players for not trying to force their way into a team when they are MotM and then dropped when a team loses the next game. I don't blame players for asking out when a manager says they'll have a role and then he doesn't have one. I don't blame a young player for asking for a loan when a manager says he can only play so many young players at once and injuries make those limits be used on other spots. I don't blame a player for not wanting to waste his limited years in football on the bench of a bad team. And at the same time I don't blame him for not wanting to be on the bench of a good team because they don't have a position for him.

So no, I don't really blame Lookman at all. I've never felt like anything he did was not justified. There were rumors of him not putting effort in during training and that would be about all I would say he did wrong, except that was driven by Marco Silva and I frankly don't trust that man.