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Ademola Lookman

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Bungle said:
Why is it Everton's fault that he didn't put the effort in to force himself into the starting XI?

The unwillingness from the lizard fella to lay any of the blame at Lookmans feet whilst simultaneously having a pop at our better players is laughable.
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I mean, sometimes it is the managers fault like

Look at how Moyes hardly ever gave Barkley a go for instance, even though by his last season as manager Ross was ready and Martinez used him almost right away

I'm relatively confident that Lookman could have contributed more than the incumbent players had he been given the chance to
 
TheBigIguana said:
I'm genuinely confused why saying Dom wasn't the best player two years ago is a pop at him. Again I'm not saying he didn't have potential!! But he was a striker not scoring goals and until about March of this year you were kidding yourself if you weren't at least a bit concerned about that part. We can go into his thread if you want.

On Lookman: he tried every time he played. He just didn't play enough. People will probably tell me that I'm wrong and he didn't try but a lot of those same people said that about Iwobi for awhile too and it is also wrong there.
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You're on ignore but I'll take you off just for a moment. The problem with trying to debate football with someone like yourself is that you're a clueless helmet that won't accept when they're wrong, there's really nothing else to it.

I see people counter your arguments with valid points and all they get is a wordy response that just repeats the patronising and condescending garbage you've previously spouted, it's an endless circle where you'll never accept someone might have a point.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I don't blame players for being pissed off that they aren't playing. I don't blame players for not trying to force their way into a team when they are MotM and then dropped when a team loses the next game. I don't blame players for asking out when a manager says they'll have a role and then he doesn't have one. I don't blame a young player for asking for a loan when a manager says he can only play so many young players at once and injuries make those limits be used on other spots. I don't blame a player for not wanting to waste his limited years in football on the bench of a bad team. And at the same time I don't blame him for not wanting to be on the bench of a good team because they don't have a position for him.

So no, I don't really blame Lookman at all. I've never felt like anything he did was not justified. There were rumors of him not putting effort in during training and that would be about all I would say he did wrong, except that was driven by Marco Silva and I frankly don't trust that man.
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Ok mate. Everyone else is wrong and you’re right. Got it.
 
Bungle said:
You're on ignore but I'll take you off just for a moment. The problem with trying to debate football with someone like yourself is that you're a clueless helmet that won't accept when they're wrong, there's reaKolly nothing else to it.

I see people counter your arguments with valid points and all they get is a wordy response that just repeats the patronising and condescending garbage you've previously spouted, it's an endless circle where you'll never accept someone might have a point.
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Well make your point then?

I mean people keep telling me I'm wrong about DCL right now but they aren't telling me how except to say it was poor management, which is true, Koeman was playing Dom all over the shop, but also doesn't change the fact that he didn't score goals when he played up top. And if you want to put that down to tactics fine, but I personally don't because you have something like Tosun coming in under Big Sam and having a pretty respectable run of scoring goals.

So I still think it makes sense to say we persisted with Dom when he wasn't a top player and it paid off massively and that not doing it with Lookman was a massive mistake as we could have reaped similar rewards. But apparently that's a shot at Dom.

I mean I'm genuinely hoping you give me a real response.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
I mean, sometimes it is the managers fault like

Look at how Moyes hardly ever gave Barkley a go for instance, even though by his last season as manager Ross was ready and Martinez used him almost right away

I'm relatively confident that Lookman could have contributed more than the incumbent players had he been given the chance to
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I'm not saying that it's not sometimes the managers fault mate, I'm saying in this instance Lookman could have put more effort in to force his way into the team, not as if he had to try and displace world beaters in his position was it?

I hope he has a successful career, I suspect Fulham is his level and he'll make a decent living from football without ever really achieving anything of note though.
 

TheBigIguana said:
On this occasion I've insisted from the start that Lookman was a player that we should have been prioritizing the development of and he's now a very solid PL winger at 24 so is it ok if I feel right?
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Sometimes players and clubs just dont work out. Can be for a mulitude of reasons, but there is probably not a football biography on earth that doesnt have an example of a player "not fitting in".

The opposite also happens. It was obvious that he didnt fancy it here.
 
roydo said:
Sometimes players and clubs just dont work out. Can be for a mulitude of reasons, but there is probably not a football biography on earth that doesnt have an example of a player "not fitting in".

The opposite also happens. It was obvious that he didnt fancy it here.
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You are right about that. I think I've said this before though but the likes of Vlasic, Kean and Lookman all not being right for Everton is a problem we need to work on.
 

roydo said:
The London to Liverpool culture shock cannot be discounted neither. Back in London, he is improved.
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People seem to push this homesick thing a lot but he went on loan to RBL and was genuinely great for 6 months and Germany isn't London either right?

The root of all the issues with Lookman really goes back to one simple number. Minutes played. The higher that number goes the bigger his impact is and the less his "problems" pop up. He doesn't take well to not playing and I don't blame him for that.

And what is interesting is our fans also hate when players seem to be ok with riding the bench and catching a paycheck but when a guy doesn't like that it is bad too. Essentially anyone at Everton who doesn't play is in a no win situation with our support.
 
TheBigIguana said:
People seem to push this homesick thing a lot but he went on loan to RBL and was genuinely great for 6 months and Germany isn't London either right?
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I purposely didnt mention homesickness.

With London, its a bit like NYC over there. It is literally a country within a country. Thats not a dig at London or Londoners, but it is true.
 
roydo said:
I purposely didnt mention homesickness.

With London, its a bit like NYC over there. It is literally a country within a country. Thats not a dig at London or Londoners, but it is true.
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I get that but it still wouldn't make sense for someone him to be good for that time in Germany if not being in London were the problem right?

I just think the narrative is essentially Evertonians trying to find any possible explanation for letting a good player get away without it being the club's fault.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I get that but it still wouldn't make sense for someone him to be good for that time in Germany if not being in London were the problem right?

I just think the narrative is essentially Evertonians trying to find any possible explanation for letting a good player get away without it being the club's fault.
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Mate you’re talking about a fan base who will look for any reason to bash the club. You’re looking for something that isn’t there.

My main argument has been: Lookman needs to shoulder some of the responsibility for his failure to make it here. Something you can’t seem to accept as a viable argument.
 

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