2020/21 Alex Iwobi

[Efcjake]

I think that inability to develop players is a major problem with the club that we really should be giving a toss about.

First of all we ain't "developing" Iwobi the lad is what, 24?

Secondly, two young lads wanting out because we didn't give them automatic starting places and expected them to earn it in training like the other senior pros is not "an inability to develop players".

The argument against what you're saying is simple. DCL, Richarlison, Holgate, Godfrey.


Those are 4 young players in development who Everton Football club have improved. It also helps that those 4 lads aren't little crybaby primadonnas who want out of the club after a year.

 

[TheBigIguana]

First of all we ain't "developing" Iwobi the lad is what, 24?

Secondly, two young lads wanting out because we didn't give them automatic starting places and expected them to earn it in training like the other senior pros is not "an inability to develop players".

The argument against what you're saying is simple. DCL, Richarlison, Holgate, Godfrey.


Those are 4 young players in development who Everton Football club have improved. It also helps that those 4 lads aren't little crybaby primadonnas who want out of the club after a year.

This is going to set off a firestorm but Richarlison is the same player today that he was the day he signed here and Holgate and Godfrey aren't actually good yet so none of them are good examples. DCL is the only one.

 

[Efcjake]

Can we actually say he wouldn't be better creatively in that role though when his current role requires all his creative play to come through crosses which he's bad at?

People insist Gylfi is better because he gets assists but in open play that theory is entirely down to the Spurs game which is a pretty obvious aberration in his career here.

It doesn't though. You've assumed he's been told only to cross the ball. Unless you've been in the dressing room when Carlo has said that I don't know how you can make that assumption.


As a wide player there is nothing stopping him cutting inside and linking up play with DCL or whoever is in the 10 and then getting in the box to get a shot away.

Richarlison does that on the left. The only reason Iwobi doesn't do that on the right is because he is utter pants.

 

[Tubey]

Carlo having none of this frauds crap.

Good on him.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Can we actually say he wouldn't be better creatively in that role though when his current role requires all his creative play to come through crosses which he's bad at?

People insist Gylfi is better because he gets assists but in open play that theory is entirely down to the Spurs game which is a pretty obvious aberration in his career here.

I think there's unfortunately quite a lot of evidence that he isn't going to become a regular goalscorer. He's played like 50 times for us now and only got 4 goals, 2 of which came against league 1 clubs. He doesn't get himself into goalscoring positions or gamble with runs into the box anywhere near enough.

Whether he can be creative is also questionable. He's good at carrying the ball forward and his passing does get us up the pitch. But opening up defences is an entirely different thing and we haven't seen much of that. I see a talented player but not an effective one. I really want him to come good because I like him, but I don't think it's going to happen at this point.

 

[TheBigIguana]

It doesn't though. You've assumed he's been told only to cross the ball. Unless you've been in the dressing room when Carlo has said that I don't know how you can make that assumption.


As a wide player there is nothing stopping him cutting inside and linking up play with DCL or whoever is in the 10 and then getting in the box to get a shot away.

Richarlison does that on the left. The only reason Iwobi doesn't do that on the right is because he is utter pants.

He's very right footed so at right wing it is nearly impossible for him to cut in effectively. He does it on occasion but often isn't able to play a telling pass because he isn't good on his left.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think there's unfortunately quite a lot of evidence that he isn't going to become a regular goalscorer. He's played like 50 times for us now and only got 4 goals, 2 of which came against league 1 clubs. He doesn't get himself into goalscoring positions or gamble with runs into the box anywhere near enough.

Whether he can be creative is also questionable. He's good at carrying the ball forward and his passing does get us up the pitch. But opening up defences is an entirely different thing and we haven't seen much of that. I see a talented player but not an effective one. I really want him to come good because I like him, but I don't think it's going to happen at this point.

Then play him deeper. We currently don't get the ball up up pitch. People think Doucoure is going to be a miss because he does it and that says it all.

Gylfi averages a goal from open play 1 in every 6 and an assist from open play 1 in every 13 in the league since joining us. Somehow that isn't disqualifying.

 

[blulouie]

Cool

Look if you think you are making a case for a player that has stunk the place out for around 50 of the 54 games he's played in it says more about your opinion of the player than it does about his ability.

 

[Efcjake]

This is going to set off a firestorm but Richarlison is the same player today that he was the day he signed here and Holgate and Godfrey aren't actually good yet so none of them are good examples. DCL is the only one.

Holgate and Godfrey are definitely better players now than they were before kicking a ball for Everton. So is DCL.

I've seen enough improvement in Richarlison to say he's kicked on these past 3 years too. He wasn't playing for Brazil when he was turning out for Watford was he?

You're so obsessed with the idea that you're right about Iwobi that you won't even entertain any other point to the contrary.

 

[Efcjake]

He's very right footed so at right wing it is nearly impossible for him to cut in effectively. He does it on occasion but often isn't able to play a telling pass because he isn't good on his left.

Yet he doesn't do it on the left either when he plays there?

Why? Because he can't. Because kicking and running and a cross is all he has to offer.

 

[allen]

You could tell how sincere Carlo was about wanting to know where he wants to play when he said he’d play him at 9 if that was where he wanted to play.

Not in a million years is Carlo playing him as a 9.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Look if you think you are making a case for a player that has stunk the place out for around 50 of the 54 games he's played in it says more about your opinion of the player than it does about his ability.

I mean that's subjective at worst and over the top at best.

Us blues love to over-exaggerate how crap certain players that we don't like are.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Then play him deeper. We currently don't get the ball up up pitch. People think Doucoure is going to be a miss because he does it and that says it all.

Gylfi averages a goal from open play 1 in every 6 and an assist from open play 1 in every 13 in the league since joining us. Somehow that isn't disqualifying.

Most of this is about the player seemingly saying he wants to play as a 10 though? Playing him a midfield 3 is more likely to help the team I'd agree, but the reports are he wants to play off the centre forward.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Holgate and Godfrey are definitely better players now than they were before kicking a ball for Everton. So is DCL.

I've seen enough improvement in Richarlison to say he's kicked on these past 3 years too. He wasn't playing for Brazil when he was turning out for Watford was he?

You're so obsessed with the idea that you're right about Iwobi that you won't even entertain any other point to the contrary.

The only difference between Watford Richarlison and Everton Richarlison is his scoring droughts haven't been as long. He mad the Brazil side because he hit the net more but that was what he figured to be good at when he signed. Nothing else has improved.

Holgate yes is better than when he was 17 but also not good. Godfrey I don't know, he wasn't great for Norwich for me and he isn't good now either.

These opinions are separate of Iwobi.

 

[blulouie]

He's very right footed so at right wing it is nearly impossible for him to cut in effectively. He does it on occasion but often isn't able to play a telling pass because he isn't good on his left.

How about beating your man , getting to the bi-line then cutting it back for the oncoming attackers and midfield arriving in the box.
Yanno like most good wide players do.