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2022/23 Amadou Onana

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Bez2k2k said:
Hilarious how we signed a load of players and couldn’t get rid of them. Chelsea signed loads of players, how now got rid of them all go Saudi and got big fee’s for all of them. And they will avoid any ffp issues because all the new players they signed are all on longer contracts. It’s almost like it’s meant to be for these top 6 clubs. Everything goes right for them.
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Everything can go right when you can sell to your own investors
 
toffeeblue9 said:
Look at it another way - Declan Rice will go for £100m. Fulham will be looking for well over £50m for Joao Paulinha if he moves this summer.

The Rodri fee was a few years ago and now looks like a bargain.

The comparison seems out-of-date now.

I don't know exactly what sort of figure I'd be putting on Onana because you're paying for potential, but he does look like he has an awful lot going for him if he can harness it all. If we paid £26m and owe 20% of the profit to Lille, a fee of £50m gives you a profit of just over £19m. All depends what sort of premium you'd be happy with after only having him 12 months. Personally if we could double our money on him (which would mean selling him for about £60m after allowing for the 20% sell on clause), I think that's in the region of what I'd want based on him having 4 years left on his deal, his age, the obvious potential there and the Declan Rice valuation.
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I agree but we have a really weird way of doing business. We seem to sell players for far less than their worth and yet every club holds us to ransom for their players. Ok Richy didn’t do amazing for Spurs this year but we let him go for 60m and then a month later he was the best player at the World Cup. We should of got at least 80m for him.

If we sell any players this summer then it best be for massive money. We do need to get back to finding Stones and Lescott’s and then selling them for high figures, it’s just how to go about doing that under the radar.
 
toffeeblue9 said:
Look at it another way - Declan Rice will go for £100m. Fulham will be looking for well over £50m for Joao Paulinha if he moves this summer.

The Rodri fee was a few years ago and now looks like a bargain.

The comparison seems out-of-date now.

I don't know exactly what sort of figure I'd be putting on Onana because you're paying for potential, but he does look like he has an awful lot going for him if he can harness it all. If we paid £26m and owe 20% of the profit to Lille, a fee of £50m gives you a profit of just over £19m. All depends what sort of premium you'd be happy with after only having him 12 months. Personally if we could double our money on him (which would mean selling him for about £60m after allowing for the 20% sell on clause), I think that's in the region of what I'd want based on him having 4 years left on his deal, his age, the obvious potential there and the Declan Rice valuation.
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Declan rice is quality but again English and over valued, the sell on clause has no relevance to what his value is we can’t just add on 20% to cover that cost. So allowing for the clause you want £72m for him? I think realistically Declan rice is worth about £80-85m tops and he’s much better than Onana, West Ham have a gentleman’s agreement to sell him but for the right price where as we need to sell.
 
toffeeblue9 said:
Look at it another way - Declan Rice will go for £100m. Fulham will be looking for well over £50m for Joao Paulinha if he moves this summer.

The Rodri fee was a few years ago and now looks like a bargain.

The comparison seems out-of-date now.

I don't know exactly what sort of figure I'd be putting on Onana because you're paying for potential, but he does look like he has an awful lot going for him if he can harness it all. If we paid £26m and owe 20% of the profit to Lille, a fee of £50m gives you a profit of just over £19m. All depends what sort of premium you'd be happy with after only having him 12 months. Personally if we could double our money on him (which would mean selling him for about £60m after allowing for the 20% sell on clause), I think that's in the region of what I'd want based on him having 4 years left on his deal, his age, the obvious potential there and the Declan Rice valuation.
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Good points.
The Paulinha mooted fee is nuts and Rice ( better than Onana in my view ) carries an English premium.
Bellingham at £85 million is realistic and McAllister at £35 million is ridiculously cheap
Yes I d sell at £50m and be delighted at 60
 

Bez2k2k said:
I agree but we have a really weird way of doing business. We seem to sell players for far less than their worth and yet every club holds us to ransom for their players. Ok Richy didn’t do amazing for Spurs this year but we let him go for 60m and then a month later he was the best player at the World Cup. We should of got at least 80m for him.

If we sell any players this summer then it best be for massive money. We do need to get back to finding Stones and Lescott’s and then selling them for high figures, it’s just how to go about doing that under the radar.
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Well he wasn’t at all.
 
Swap deal, Onana for Gallagher anyone?

Be very tricky convincing Gallagher to come mind. And would rather get rid of deadwood. But if he wants to go...
 
cjuk87 said:
I've repeated it 100x over the years on here. But I really do wish we'd "moneyball" our strategy.

1. Buy in a player, explain we're a stepping stone to a European club. (dont cry over this, they don't have a love for the club). He'll get the move, if he gives 100% every game and helps the team.

2. Sell the player for an inflated fee, he's performed well and top clubs want him. They have the money, we have a young talent.

3. Buy in 2 or 3 new players, showing them our strategy. Players become eager to move to us to help them grow and get the move they want.

4. Sell the 2 or 3 players over time and repeat.

There's so many reasons why this could and should work.

1, We firstly fall in line with FFP and report healthy finances.
2, We gain a reputation (like Brighton) for producing players and it's expected that teams will pay big money for our talent.
3, We develop relationships with the top clubs. Allowing us to pick their best of the rest.
4, Players actually want to join our club. Right now, why would you? If the club moved to this strategy, you'd have players desperate to join, all seeing how other talents got their move.
5, Each season we improve slightly. This isn't a quick win. But over time, we move into the top half, then begin to knock on the door of Europe. At this point, our talent goes for far bigger fees and we attract a higher quality of player. Eventually, players will no longer see us as a stepping stone, but a club to move to for Europe etc.

There's so much more to it and I've waffled on previously. But god I wish we could look at it and work on it. I feel it's the only viable strategy to us ever becoming a force again. Spending big didn't work. Fans wanting players to stay forever doesn't work. Old cast off's doesn't work. The academy doesn't work. This strategy is screaming to be implemented.
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Sounds like Brighton's approach. It's a solid strategy but not exactly new.
 

cjuk87 said:
I've repeated it 100x over the years on here. But I really do wish we'd "moneyball" our strategy.

1. Buy in a player, explain we're a stepping stone to a European club. (dont cry over this, they don't have a love for the club). He'll get the move, if he gives 100% every game and helps the team.

2. Sell the player for an inflated fee, he's performed well and top clubs want him. They have the money, we have a young talent.

3. Buy in 2 or 3 new players, showing them our strategy. Players become eager to move to us to help them grow and get the move they want.

4. Sell the 2 or 3 players over time and repeat.

There's so many reasons why this could and should work.

1, We firstly fall in line with FFP and report healthy finances.
2, We gain a reputation (like Brighton) for producing players and it's expected that teams will pay big money for our talent.
3, We develop relationships with the top clubs. Allowing us to pick their best of the rest.
4, Players actually want to join our club. Right now, why would you? If the club moved to this strategy, you'd have players desperate to join, all seeing how other talents got their move.
5, Each season we improve slightly. This isn't a quick win. But over time, we move into the top half, then begin to knock on the door of Europe. At this point, our talent goes for far bigger fees and we attract a higher quality of player. Eventually, players will no longer see us as a stepping stone, but a club to move to for Europe etc.

There's so much more to it and I've waffled on previously. But god I wish we could look at it and work on it. I feel it's the only viable strategy to us ever becoming a force again. Spending big didn't work. Fans wanting players to stay forever doesn't work. Old cast off's doesn't work. The academy doesn't work. This strategy is screaming to be implemented.
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Ive been saying we should do this for years but also its about selling players at the right age and using those funds to bring in the young potential stars....and then selling them at peak value not as soon as a good offer comes, but a great one.
 
I’ve been very critical and hugely disappointed in him. The mistakes he makes are nothing to do with experience or speed of the PL. And a quick look at all the link stories have his action shots as celebrating other people’s goals (that he didn’t assist). About sums up his lack of real impact.

But he simply has to come good at some point. It’s pretty unthinkable he won’t. If he is to go this summer, and I wouldn’t blame him as he didn’t come to England to play for Dyche, no swapsies, no cash plus player, no weird bonuses based on fanciful targets like Chelsea winning the PL, and no undisclosed fees which is code for we’ve been rinsed. £50m+ in solid cash only.
 

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