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2023/24 Amadou Onana

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Noisy noise annoys said:
TBH I was looking for more driving runs from him which he is very capable of. if he can combine these with his tackling and his new found range of passing we really would have a player.
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Fair. I mean he has it all - when he was at Lille he played CB, CDM and CAM in a single game in the Champs league if I recall. Perhaps a victim of his own versatility. Would benefit from a tactically astute manager who is in post for long enough to have a clear plan for him and then for that plan to take root. That would make him more consistent in the yes of the fans

Bit like Tom Davies ;)
 
ForestBlue said:
Told fan(s) in the Family Enclosure to F off about 4 times near the end of the game. A sign of a player who knows he wont, or doesn't want to be here I reckon.
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Another typical example of players hearing fans giving them grief and reacting. Will we never learn. He came over to us and got a few boos as well - pathetic.
 
ElGato said:
Could be said for the whole squad. The last person I'd be criticising in that team for being a passenger would be the young new signing in his debut season
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Absolutely teams awful, I’m not criticising I’m just saying he was for a few games last season and didn’t do an awful lot all season had one good game against Arsenal, showed glimpses of talent I think he can be a good player in a few years time, people can mention his age but I’m of the understanding your good enough you’re old enough Rooney was ripping the champions league up at 18/19
 
Noisy noise annoys said:
Another typical example of players hearing fans giving them grief and reacting. Will we never learn. He came over to us and got a few boos as well - pathetic.
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I dont disagree and he's young and inexperienced but he needs to learn pretty quick that doing that doesn't go down well.

Also show his lack of concentration abilities at the moment if he gets distracted by the crowd when we are 1 down with a few minutes to go.. May also explain his tendency to drift in and out of games but he's young enough to learn and improve that side of his game too.

I like him as a footballer but he is far from the finished product as most aren't at his age.
 

coleman=quality said:
Absolutely teams awful, I’m not criticising I’m just saying he was for a few games last season and didn’t do an awful lot all season had one good game against Arsenal, showed glimpses of talent I think he can be a good player in a few years time, people can mention his age but I’m of the understanding your good enough you’re old enough Rooney was ripping the champions league up at 18/19
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Roon dog was a freak. Was also a striker, where being young, brave, fearless, unpredictable is more of an asset. Strikers tend to reach peak younger than midfielders or defenders, where positioning, tactical awareness and so on is a more of a determinant of quality.

Look, I understand why people would want to sell him to reinvest elsewhere in the team - such as with a defender and a goalscorer - but in my opinion I don't think it is realistic to say that it would represent a good strategy this late into the transfer window, nor realistic to say that Onana money reinvested would be guaranteed to secure quality given how saturated the market is currently.

However I don't understand why you would use last season's performances to make the case that he isn't good enough to be worth holding on to, as I think it ignores too much context. I think he'll cook for us this season, but then that again is my opinion.

Will have to wait and see, but I'd be gutted if he left.
 

ElGato said:
However I don't understand why you would use last season's performances to make the case that he isn't good enough to be worth holding on to, as I think it ignores too much context. I think he'll cook for us this season, but then that again is my opinion.
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Rooney was a freak. I don’t think he isn’t good enough he’s a young lad who needs to learn, do I think he didnt do enough last season absolutely so inconsistent but again to be expected. To suggest he’s a top player which I think he could be is a bit premature in terms of what we’ve seen, when you have people creaming over him every week makes you think what am I missing and that’s a lot of peoples views on here from what I can take. I don’t think he’s ever given a masterclass even against Arsenal, the hype is ridiculous yes we all want to see players doing well and not been much to cheer but steady on likening him to yaya toure, and being better than Fabhino, Henderson 2 former RS players I obviously can’t stand but can appreciate they’ve been top players and one a Liverpool captain who’s won everything in recent years as I can any player regardless where they play and can also view an Everton player without blue tinted glasses on. If we sold him and invested in a forward who can score that’s something that’s cost us the last 2 seasons and again on Saturday then yes I would sell him especially for the crazy prices being thrown around. If he does become consistent and this top player he won’t be here anyway.
 
coleman=quality said:
Rooney was a freak. I don’t think he isn’t good enough he’s a young lad who needs to learn, do I think he didnt do enough last season absolutely so inconsistent but again to be expected. To suggest he’s a top player which I think he could be is a bit premature in terms of what we’ve seen, when you have people creaming over him every week makes you think what am I missing and that’s a lot of peoples views on here from what I can take. I don’t think he’s ever given a masterclass even against Arsenal, the hype is ridiculous yes we all want to see players doing well and not been much to cheer but steady on likening him to yaya toure, and being better than Fabhino, Henderson 2 former RS players I obviously can’t stand but can appreciate they’ve been top players and one a Liverpool captain who’s won everything in recent years as I can any player regardless where they play and can also view an Everton player without blue tinted glasses on. If we sold him and invested in a forward who can score that’s something that’s cost us the last 2 seasons and again on Saturday then yes I would sell him especially for the crazy prices being thrown around. If he does become consistent and this top player he won’t be here anyway.
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Point 1: Lol yeah that's a bit OTT. I think he's out best player like, but I wouldn't go that far.

Point 2: Right now, I think that is unrealistic. We can all dream that we get £80m for him and then we go and buy a £40m-50m striker, but let's be real, no £40m-£50m striker is coming to Everton right now. We don't need to sell Onana to invest in a goalscorer with the profile for Everton at the moment, we can find that money elsewhere, or at least try to.
 
evertony said:
Respectfully disagree. Caicedo has looked pretty ordinary every time I’ve seen him.
Why is there always a clamour to sell anyone we have with potential because he hasn’t turned into Zidane within 3 months of arriving
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ElGato said:
People who don't rate this geezer just don't know enough about football I'm afraid, that's the bottom line.

And I understand the argument - sell him for a good price and reinvest - but one needs to consider I) how much worse does the sale make the side in the short-to-medium term; II) how much time does the club have to reinvest the cash from the sale back into the market; and III) that this is Everton.

You cannot, therefore, in any sane world, want to sell this bloke. He is comfortably our best player and selling him would weaken the side in the immediate and short term, with no guarantee that we would replace his quality. We sell, we go down IMHO

I for one am also fed up of Everton selling their best players. I have seen no progression in the team under that policy and would rather we held onto as many of our best assets as we can, even if it was against their will. If we kept some of those assets A) we would be able to attract better players to sign to play alongside them; B) the football would be better to watch; C) we would be in a much more comfortable position in the league; and D) we would be a tougher team to negotiate with.

Say what you want about Levy at Spurs, but there is a reason why they attract and retain such quality.
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A nice two minutes of action there by Onana the game lasted about ninety eight minutes!
 

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