2023/24 Amadou Onana

[ElGato]

I'm struggling with what part a 21 year old in a crap team in the toughest league in the world having an average first season people aren't getting here.
He's our best central mid by a mile as it stands today, and he can have a huge impact for us this season.

Mad isn't it

 

[Carlito]

The worst thing he could do at this point in his development is join a club with high standards.

 

[Axlswhk]

70m. Sell

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

People who don't rate this geezer just don't know enough about football I'm afraid, that's the bottom line.

And I understand the argument - sell him for a good price and reinvest - but one needs to consider I) how much worse does the sale make the side in the short-to-medium term; II) how much time does the club have to reinvest the cash from the sale back into the market; and III) that this is Everton.

You cannot, therefore, in any sane world, want to sell this bloke. He is comfortably our best player and selling him would weaken the side in the immediate and short term, with no guarantee that we would replace his quality. We sell, we go down IMHO

I for one am also fed up of Everton selling their best players. I have seen no progression in the team under that policy and would rather we held onto as many of our best assets as we can, even if it was against their will. If we kept some of those assets A) we would be able to attract better players to sign to play alongside them; B) the football would be better to watch; C) we would be in a much more comfortable position in the league; and D) we would be a tougher team to negotiate with.

Say what you want about Levy at Spurs, but there is a reason why they attract and retain such quality.

I wil be honest, I missed most of that on Saturday. Watching it back, he did seem to contribute a lot more

 

[Neiler]

I suppose people can see our financial issues with STCC would go away with another sale. And honestly, if someone makes a stupid bid, and a mistake, as a club we have to capitalise on that a bit.

They dont go away mate - they are a reoccurring problem because our costs remain high - who do we sell next summer - though i believe we are cash flow positive this season - so there isnt the need to sell.

In my opinon Moshiri is in the middle of selling us down the river and anyone sold the last thing that money will be used for is improving the club.

On the deal itself - if someone offers us 80 mill we have a decsion make, but i think we will be low balled at 60 mill and i wouldn't. People talk of Caceido, Lavia and Fernandez and the high cost of those deals as it relates to Onana - there is one fundamental aspect to that dynamic though - Brighton, Southampton and Sporting all played hard ball turned down offers and gradually got additional 10s of millions - Caceido was 90mill in Jan he was 115 yesterday, thats an extra £25 mill in 6 months.

If we do a deal for Onana Everton need not to crumble and play hard ball like above.

 

[catcherintherye]

ok let’s put it this way.

do
you trust THINK ABOUT. if we sell him and replace him?

richy says hi..

gordon says hi ( even tho he’s a div )

I think we have to be able to.

I mean we didnt spend any money of Gordon's so hard to say.

 

[ElGato]

I wil be honest, I missed most of that on Saturday. Watching it back, he did seem to contribute a lot more

It's not just the contributions, it's the quality of the contributions. Real zip on the passes, great vision

I genuinely think - and this isn't a criticism - that because he has a languid running style and his arms and legs don't move really quickly, that people think he isn't trying hard enough, or running fast enough, or he doesn't look like he is all action. I guess people say what they see, therefore, that he isn't doing enough.

Which is silly

 

[ForestBlue]

People who don't rate this geezer just don't know enough about football I'm afraid, that's the bottom line.

And I understand the argument - sell him for a good price and reinvest - but one needs to consider I) how much worse does the sale make the side in the short-to-medium term; II) how much time does the club have to reinvest the cash from the sale back into the market; and III) that this is Everton.

You cannot, therefore, in any sane world, want to sell this bloke. He is comfortably our best player and selling him would weaken the side in the immediate and short term, with no guarantee that we would replace his quality. We sell, we go down IMHO

I for one am also fed up of Everton selling their best players. I have seen no progression in the team under that policy and would rather we held onto as many of our best assets as we can, even if it was against their will. If we kept some of those assets A) we would be able to attract better players to sign to play alongside them; B) the football would be better to watch; C) we would be in a much more comfortable position in the league; and D) we would be a tougher team to negotiate with.

Say what you want about Levy at Spurs, but there is a reason why they attract and retain such quality.

We are skint and that makes holding on to your best assets hard.

He's a very good player, a little inconsistent in terms of his impact over 90mins, but he's certainly not indispensable. He didn't carry the team last season, in fact far from it.

In our position you can sell your best asset (in terms of transfer value) and become a stronger team if that money is spent in the area it is most needed. Consequently I would only sell him if the money is right and also enough to buy us the quality striker we so desperately need.

To pin all of our hopes on DCL this season is madness as he is unlikely to play the majority of games this season so if selling Onana is the only way to finance such a transfer then so be it.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Maguire to West Ham is apparently off - hope there's no shenanigans planned in a deal with Onana.

 

[Neiler]

People who don't rate this geezer just don't know enough about football I'm afraid, that's the bottom line.

And I understand the argument - sell him for a good price and reinvest - but one needs to consider I) how much worse does the sale make the side in the short-to-medium term; II) how much time does the club have to reinvest the cash from the sale back into the market; and III) that this is Everton.

You cannot, therefore, in any sane world, want to sell this bloke. He is comfortably our best player and selling him would weaken the side in the immediate and short term, with no guarantee that we would replace his quality. We sell, we go down IMHO

I for one am also fed up of Everton selling their best players. I have seen no progression in the team under that policy and would rather we held onto as many of our best assets as we can, even if it was against their will. If we kept some of those assets A) we would be able to attract better players to sign to play alongside them; B) the football would be better to watch; C) we would be in a much more comfortable position in the league; and D) we would be a tougher team to negotiate with.

Say what you want about Levy at Spurs, but there is a reason why they attract and retain such quality.

All of this, good post mate!

Something else do consider, if we sold Onana, the only starting central midfielder we would have in contract would be James Garner.

 

[andy4efc]

They dont go away mate - they are a reoccurring problem because our costs remain high - who do we sell next summer - though i believe we are cash flow positive this season - so there isnt the need to sell.

In my opinon Moshiri is in the middle of selling us down the river and anyone sold the last thing that money will be used for is improving the club.

On the deal itself - if someone offers us 80 mill we have a decsion make, but i think we will be low balled at 60 mill and i wouldn't. People talk of Caceido, Lavia and Fernandez and the high cost of those deals as it relates to Onana - there is one fundamental aspect to that dynamic though - Brighton, Southampton and Sporting all played hard ball turned down offers and gradually got additional 10s of millions - Caceido was 90mill in Jan he was 115 yesterday, thats an extra £25 mill in 6 months.

If we do a deal for Onana Everton need not to crumble and play hard ball like above.

Lavia and Caicedo also had a bidding war between Chelsea and Liverpool to drive the prices up.

Selling Onana now would not be wise unless it was guaranteed to back into the team investment - even then there is just two weeks left of the window and we'll get rinsed of value.

 

[Neiler]

Maguire to West Ham is apparently off - hope there's no shenanigans planned in a deal with Onana.

 

[catcherintherye]

They dont go away mate - they are a reoccurring problem because our costs remain high - who do we sell next summer - though i believe we are cash flow positive this season - so there isnt the need to sell.

In my opinon Moshiri is in the middle of selling us down the river and anyone sold the last thing that money will be used for is improving the club.

On the deal itself - if someone offers us 80 mill we have a decsion make, but i think we will be low balled at 60 mill and i wouldn't. People talk of Caceido, Lavia and Fernandez and the high cost of those deals - there is one fundamental aspect to that dynamic though - Brighton, Southampton and Sporting all played hard ball turned down offers and gradually got additional 10s of millions - Caceido was 90mill in Jan he was 115 yesterday, thats an extra £25 mill in 6 months.

If we do a deal for Onana Everton need not to crumble and play hard ball like above.

Yes a few things in this.

1) Moshiri may be. I cant control that really so can only go on the basis of what is best in the hear and now.

2) Structurally most PL teams have too high a cost base. We are amongst the worst. A big problem for us has been sacking of managers. It probably adds 10% to our wage bill each season. We are still not ideal, we we are better if we kept a long term manager, and not ine of the worst offenders.

But no, it doesnt go away. Unless you do a Norwich/Huddersfield (or what I suspect Sheffield United/Luton are doing) and write the season off for the bigger picture.

The only way to balance that, is to sell players though, in reality. It's what most European teams do. Sell at hugely inflated PL prices to cover the wage bill.

So you're right it dowsnt go away, but the imperative to sell remains.

3) I'm not saying we take a low ball bid. I'm saying we take a panic buy type price.

4) He could be worth more in a year, or less. That's the risk we take. All we can ask, is are we being compensated for that upside. I think anything north of £70m is getting close to that. If we start going £80m that is especially so.

5) We are well placed in that area of the pitch. Iwobi can move inside. Garner can play. Doucoure can play deeper.

 

[coleman=quality]

I wil be honest, I missed most of that on Saturday. Watching it back, he did seem to contribute a lot more

but still I wouldn’t call it a masterclass it was a good game, a masterclass? No, the hype from some on here that’s what I expect to see from him every game just doing the basics right like passing did show some good range and weight in his passes, tackles interceptions we know he’s good at that, needs more aerial presence and I want to see him bully players, still spells in the game where it passed him by. A masterclass for me Is dominating and controlling a game from start to finish and effecting it with goals/assists. Lets see if the masterclasses continue some kind of consistency is one thing he definitely needs to show.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Maguire to West Ham is apparently off - hope there's no shenanigans planned in a deal with Onana.

It's unlikely mate as it's seems to have collapsed due to him not agreeing a payoff with Utd and West Ham can't be arsed waiting any longer for him to sort it.