2021/22 Anthony Gordon

[Bluestar]

Just for comparison Lampards first season at Chelsea 37 league games 5 goals.

Gordon 34 league games 4 goals.

Lampard also played in a far better side and a lot more minutes. And was 23yo compared to 20 with 4 seasons at west ham as a starter and over 140+ games in the division already played.

And we wonder why young players at Everton get slated way too soon.

Exactly.

The nutters need to lay off him. He is developing really well.

 

[toffeeblue9]

How many players were the finished product at 20?

Gordon still has areas to improve on but I see no reason as to why he can't improve on those areas

As a fan base we need to stop demanding a cull of every young player who isn't instantly prime Pele

Precisely

The progress he's made in the last 12 months is massive. Truly massive - up there with any big development curve I've ever seen from a player here. Think everyone knew he had talent, but he didn't look like 1st XI stuff even at the start of the season.

In fact you only need to look at posts from the beginning of this thread to see how far he's come:

Runs like he is in treacle.

Too slow. Tom showed more promise at the beginning when he first got into the first team. Maybe it will be the other way around and he will get better the more he plays. Not convincing though right now.

The lad is a bit slow that Williams kid was blowing out his arse yet still caught up to him on the counter

I'd argue he's now amongst the fastest players in the squad. Only DCL, Godfrey and Gray could potentially keep up with him.

File under Dowell this lad

He's been given so many more chances than Dowell. I think Dowell is the better player.

Dowell is about 15 times better. Gordon will end up at Chesterfield in two years.

Never seen anything to his game to understand why he felt he was able to bang on Ancelotti's door asking why he wasn't involved vs Spurs.

Reminds me of Kieran Dowell.

He's already miles past this

I think a lot of fans tonight will realise that this buffoon is nowhere near championship level

Absolute garbage this lad

He's not premier league. Never will be.

Not good enough, just like Tom Davies isn’t either. Sell them both on. They can have good careers elsewhere.

Another of those players who's better off never actually playing, so the myth around him can continue to build and all our hopes put on him. Then he gets on the pitch and ruins it all by actually being a bit crap.

He's another like Davies that is just never going to be up to the level we need.

Truly awful footballer, shiite !!!!

This lad just isn't PL standard.

He's had many chances as he's home grown same as Davies yet the boo bhoys jump on the likes of Rondon after 2-3 games.

Wanted by the likes of mega money Newcastle and CL-qualified Spurs already

The short version is - the lad has progressed massively and made a lot of people in this thread look very silly already. He needs to improve his end product, absolutely, but I'd say we could all agree that at 21 there's plenty of scope for that to improve a bit yet?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Precisely

The progress he's made in the last 12 months is massive. Truly massive - up there with any big development curve I've ever seen from a player here. Think everyone knew he had talent, but he didn't look like 1st XI stuff even at the start of the season.

In fact you only need to look at posts from the beginning of this thread to see how far he's come:





I'd argue he's now amongst the fastest players in the squad. Only DCL, Godfrey and Gray could potentially keep up with him.






He's already miles past this










Wanted by the likes of mega money Newcastle and CL-qualified Spurs already

The short version is - the lad has progressed massively and made a lot of people in this thread look very silly already. He needs to improve his end product, absolutely, but I'd say we could all agree that at 21 there's plenty of scope for that to improve a bit yet?

Nope.

I still think he was foolish/naïve to go banging on Ancelotti's door demanding an explanation why he wasn't involved vs Spurs. As he acknowledged, as I said January last year;

I said this on here.

Was so glaringly obvious.

• “Where I need to improve is getting back into shape quicker and being harder to beat, instead of pressing, then waiting and not getting back into shape – being the odd one out.”

Also;

“I was tired really early in the game,” said Gordon.

“Playing a Championship team, which was quite defensive minded, I felt I could have really got at them, but my fitness levels just weren’t there.


Now... all those on Ancelotti's back for not playing him might start to see the manager knows what he's doing.

His time at Everton still also does remind me of Kieran Dowell. Don't forget, Dowell is only 3 years older - won the world cup with England U20s/was hitting double figures for Forest in the Championship at 19. For a period, fans had huge hopes around Dowell. "Why did we loan him out" etc.

Gordon has benefitted from game time/exposure from being in a god awful Everton team but Ancelotti managed him perfectly. He wasn't ready to be starting games then - which he later admitted himself. Later, Benitez said the same thing - he wasn't fit enough to play/Gordon again, agreed.

Even now I think he has a bit of Deulofeu/sparrow lungs about him. He's continuing to work on that, and like everyone is now saying - if his final ball comes he could be a tremendous player. If it doesn't, he goes into a long line of decent players.

 

[blueblue]

Precisely

The progress he's made in the last 12 months is massive. Truly massive - up there with any big development curve I've ever seen from a player here. Think everyone knew he had talent, but he didn't look like 1st XI stuff even at the start of the season.

In fact you only need to look at posts from the beginning of this thread to see how far he's come:





I'd argue he's now amongst the fastest players in the squad. Only DCL, Godfrey and Gray could potentially keep up with him.






He's already miles past this










Wanted by the likes of mega money Newcastle and CL-qualified Spurs already

The short version is - the lad has progressed massively and made a lot of people in this thread look very silly already. He needs to improve his end product, absolutely, but I'd say we could all agree that at 21 there's plenty of scope for that to improve a bit yet?

Isn't it lucky that posters on GOT have no influence on football decisions at the club.

 

[blulouie]

He will realise that potential if he exploits the situations he creates. Last season he often failed to pick a teammate out when he had the opportunity & he often snatched at chances. The latter is a big surprise seeing the quality of goals he scored coming through the ranks, he’s on free-kicks because he strikes the ball cleanly but often over hits.

Looking at him playing for young England he has looked way ahead of some of his team mates.
I've always thought if they can do that at that level it will take a year or 2 to transfer that form & confidence onto the full adult game.
Anything he does and has done lately in & asround the 1st team gives him good grounding to carry it though.
He's done very well upto this stage , and I see him getting more assertive & decisive the more he plays now.
Stay fit , keep grounded & keep learning he'll be great for us in the coming years.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Nope.

I still think he was foolish/naïve to go banging on Ancelotti's door demanding an explanation why he wasn't involved vs Spurs. As he acknowledged, as I said January last year;



His time at Everton still also does remind me of Kieran Dowell. Don't forget, Dowell is only 3 years older - won the world cup with England U20s/was hitting double figures for Forest in the Championship at 19. For a period, fans had huge hopes around Dowell. "Why did we loan him out" etc.

Gordon has benefitted from game time/exposure from being in a god awful Everton team but Ancelotti managed him perfectly. He wasn't ready to be starting games then - which he later admitted himself. Later, Benitez said the same thing - he wasn't fit enough to play/Gordon again, agreed.

Even now I think he has a bit of Deulofeu/sparrow lungs about him. He's continuing to work on that, and like everyone is now saying - if his final ball comes he could be a tremendous player. If it doesn't, he goes into a long line of decent players.

Yeah, you don't really need to defend yourself. I'm merely pointing out that you're one of those who compared him to Dowell early on in the season and he's now miles past Dowell's level.

 

[kenada_blue]

Nope.

I still think he was foolish/naïve to go banging on Ancelotti's door demanding an explanation why he wasn't involved vs Spurs. As he acknowledged, as I said January last year;



His time at Everton still also does remind me of Kieran Dowell. Don't forget, Dowell is only 3 years older - won the world cup with England U20s/was hitting double figures for Forest in the Championship at 19. For a period, fans had huge hopes around Dowell. "Why did we loan him out" etc.

Gordon has benefitted from game time/exposure from being in a god awful Everton team but Ancelotti managed him perfectly. He wasn't ready to be starting games then - which he later admitted himself. Later, Benitez said the same thing - he wasn't fit enough to play/Gordon again, agreed.

Even now I think he has a bit of Deulofeu/sparrow lungs about him. He's continuing to work on that, and like everyone is now saying - if his final ball comes he could be a tremendous player. If it doesn't, he goes into a long line of decent players.

Add it to the biff's who questioned anything Ancellotti did here

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Yeah, you don't really need to defend yourself. I'm merely pointing out that you're one of those who compared him to Dowell early on in the season and he's now miles past Dowell's level.

I think Dowell was ahead of Gordon at 19-20 - as a teenager/won more at England level, actually did well out on loan in the Championship (Gordon struggled at Preston).

We were a better team then - Dowell couldn't get in. Last time I saw Dowell was Norwich at Man Utd, he scored and got an assist a few months back. He's one who, in the right team, could look pretty good.

I think some are putting too much expectation on Gordon. He gives us intensity/pace but I think it's not helpful to him, or Everton to be so reliant on him. He was trying to do too much in run in, and we were given him too much responsibility.

 

[Nymzee]

Star

 

[toffeeblue9]

I think Dowell was ahead of Gordon at 19-20 - as a teenager/won more at England level, actually did well out on loan in the Championship (Gordon struggled at Preston).

We were a better team then - Dowell couldn't get in. Last time I saw Dowell was Norwich at Man Utd, he scored and got an assist a few months back. He's one who, in the right team, could look pretty good.

I think some are putting too much expectation on Gordon. He gives us intensity/pace but I think it's not helpful to him, or Everton to be so reliant on him. He was trying to do too much in run in, and we were given him too much responsibility.

I don't think the comparison is a particularly good one at all in all honesty. I agree that we were a better team back then, so the comparison maybe isn't fair because it's been easier for Gordon to break through but the cold numbers are that Gordon had played more Premier League games before his 19th birthday than Dowell had before his 24th birthday

Their development paths have been markedly different - Dowell had a good loan at 18/19, whereas Gordon was playing in the first team. They both had disappointing loans in the Championship when they were 19/20. Dowell followed that up with another disappointing loan spell when he was 20/21 whereas Gordon was breaking into our first team at that point.

That isn't to say that Dowell's a bad player. The lad has always had talent, but even if it's fair to say that expectation levels need to be tempered around Gordon, there's zero doubt in my mind that at 21 he's already well ahead of where Dowell has reached at 24

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

Seems to have a great attitude, developed last season and by the end looked at home in the first team. Can he now kick in again and improve his final ball? I think he will.

Biggest concern for him is how much he relies on his pace, a bad hamstring injury could really impact his game. If he stays fit have high hopes.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I don't think the comparison is a particularly good one at all in all honesty. I agree that we were a better team back then, so the comparison maybe isn't fair because it's been easier for Gordon to break through but the cold numbers are that Gordon had played more Premier League games before his 19th birthday than Dowell had before his 24th birthday

Their development paths have been markedly different - Dowell had a good loan at 18/19, whereas Gordon was playing in the first team. They both had disappointing loans in the Championship when they were 19/20. Dowell followed that up with another disappointing loan spell when he was 20/21 whereas Gordon was breaking into our first team at that point.

That isn't to say that Dowell's a bad player. The lad has always had talent, but even if it's fair to say that expectation levels need to be tempered around Gordon, there's zero doubt in my mind that at 21 he's already well ahead of where Dowell has reached at 24

Have to disagree.

Will say one thing though - those overhyping him aren't doing the lad any favours.

Unrealistic expectations - comparisons to Frank Lampard etc.

 

[degsy]

Exactly.

The nutters need to lay off him. He is developing really well.

This.
And cut him some slack if he gets 2nd season syndrome - it happens

 

[riddick]

Nope.

I still think he was foolish/naïve to go banging on Ancelotti's door demanding an explanation why he wasn't involved vs Spurs. As he acknowledged, as I said January last year;

I think that's a bit sensationalist tbh. He was asking the boss what he needed to improve to be picked. If you at your job was passed over constantly for projects or promotions, wouldn't you ask your superior what you needed to work on to be considered? "banging on Ancelottis door DEMANDING an explanation"?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Usually follows the same pattern as well

Young player plays one match and isn't amazing, so a certain type of online fan writes them off

That opinion is then locked in and will not be changed. Ever

Even good performances are viewed in a manner as to find reasons to criticise, because heaven forfend someone has to admit they were wrong about something on the internet

Gordon has been written off and his critics will do whatever they can to see that justified, because as far as they're concerned if he succeeds then they have failed, and that just won't do

We've been having the same sorts of arguments over DCL for years in his threads

Ultimately we get the club we deserve at the end of the day

Yep, seen it many times. I often wonder if we are worse than other clubs for this