2022/23 Anthony Gordon

[BlueToff]

But imagine what our income would be if we were relegated.

We were a better team for selling Rooney when we were on our knees. Can see the same outcome here.

Do find this comparison a bit strange. Footballing landscape has completely changed and we sold Rooney for way below what he was worth.

 

[bluestevon]

Can you try and put up a fair comparison, atleast players in the same position/stage in their careers etc because this is desperate - we can then look at them in their respective markets..

Ok, 4 years ago in a less inflated market we paid 40m fir a player with similar return and age as Gordon in Richy, we paid 30m for Kean who had way less experience to Gordon and was new to the league, we've just paid 30-35m for a cm from France bought by them a year ago for 6m who started less than a dozen games in the top flight.

 

[Rv_blue]

That you are saying forget the market means that you have just waisted your time writing that, I am sorry to say.

That’s because your not prepared/able to actually tell us all what you would actually value a player at based on their actual current ability and what they bring in terms of winning football games. Because you know, taking market out of it Anthony Gordon’s football ability is not that of a 60m pound footballer. If we spent 60m on a player we would expect Goals and Assists and would be in uproar if we spent 60m on a player who offered non of the those match winning attributes.

Don’t get me wrong it’s great that somehow we might be getting 60m for him - a fee bumped up purely by prospective development and the market for such a prospect. But in terms of output in his current guise, he is not a 60m quid player.

 

[willo30]

Do find this comparison a bit strange. Footballing landscape has completely changed and we sold Rooney for way below what he was worth.

It was more to do with the players we replaced him with. Rooney couldn't do everything on his own but the 2 or 3 players we replaced him with made a great contribution. Cahill and Pip Neville I think.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

I don't think we'd ever ever be in for Toney though would we.

Terrier would have been great, but he's probably staying at Rennes. There's other players who offer more than Gordon does that wouldn't cost £60m. But it's about if the club have had the foresight to scout them, which they absolutely should have done. Whether they have done of course is a different matter.

If we get £50m and Broja on loan, would you not be happy?

A) Fills a problem in the squad and gets a high priority target. B) Everton have cash to play with and it's a huge plus for the P&L, so the cash is here not just now, but in January too.

He got two more goals than Gordon playing as a centre forward, in 300 less minutes.
It's not like he's Lukaku when we brought him in after his loan at West Brom, who got 17 goals in approximately the same amount of minutes.

 

[bluestevon]

No it doesn't mate.

Obviously, we would not spend £100m over the next week, but the 3-year period would have a major boost by showing such an income.

It also allows us to have the capability to do that if we needed, perhaps over the rest of this window and January, which would be offset by future sales, which is how you actually run a club - sustainably and based on player trading.

Downpayments would still have to be sensible, but it would free up funds we otherwise wouldn't have been able to use.

Given nobody actually knows what funds we currently have mate, I find the argument strange, going off reliable reports from decent none blagging journos, we offered 25m for MGW, money's there already - Gordon being sold just creates another need to fill in limited time, as fir waiting till January, we do that mate well we will be changing managers as well

 

[twoblue]

Simply put, players who have the natural ability (first touch, close control, ability to beat a man, and blistering pace that Gordon has) very very very rarely also have the degree of work ethic and desire to push themselves to improve as well, can think of very few instances and invariably they are world class players the ones I can think off.

Natural ability tends to be taken a bit for granted and the attitude and desire to improve suffers a little, AG is very much a rarity in that he has both.

He's no Barkley, Greenwood, Rashfir, Martial etc far from it, the likes of De Bruyne, Vardy, Ronaldo (yeah the best ever probably) had the ability and the character to push every ounce of that talent, will Gordon ever be that good, who knows but he has the chance due to his personal make up

I’m not ?

Simply put, players who have the natural ability (first touch, close control, ability to beat a man, and blistering pace that Gordon has) very very very rarely also have the degree of work ethic and desire to push themselves to improve as well, can think of very few instances and invariably they are world class players the ones I can think off.

Natural ability tends to be taken a bit for granted and the attitude and desire to improve suffers a little, AG is very much a rarity in that he has both.

He's no Barkley, Greenwood, Rashfir, Martial etc far from it, the likes of De Bruyne, Vardy, Ronaldo (yeah the best ever probably) had the ability and the character to push every ounce of that talent, will Gordon ever be that good, who knows but he has the chance due to his personal make up

60 million is a good deal still.
There is every chance he could could be Stuart downing. Decent pro with some ability but not world class

 

[Rv_blue]

Ok, 4 years ago in a less inflated market we paid 40m fir a player with similar return and age as Gordon in Richy, we paid 30m for Kean who had way less experience to Gordon and was new to the league, we've just paid 30-35m for a cm from France bought by them a year ago for 6m who started less than a dozen games in the top flight.

But again, we’re talking markets - you and spadge are set on him being a 60m footballer because the market says he is and that’s what we have valued him at.

Do you think Anthony Gordon’s current footballing ability (if he played for anyone in the league) and output is that of a 60m pound footballer? (Ignore the prospect status). Based purely on his current level of football and what he brings you on the pitch is that 60m?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Can you try and put up a fair comparison, atleast players in the same position/stage in their careers etc because this is desperate - we can then look at them in their respective markets..

If you want to use accepted methods to calculate a player’s value, then you need to be looking at variables such as;

age, nationality, position, characteristics of play/style, and performance criteria weighted against past performance and future potentioal.

Benchmarking against comparable players (Grealish, Sancho) who have (recently) been sold in the Prem with similar characteristics, and acknowledging the premium on English talent.

Injuries would obviously be taken into account to identify risk and expected related discounts but Gordon has been lucky in that respect.

For younger players a future potential performance premium would be the norm. You could call it an advance on forecast future performance levels due to the perceptions of the market. For Gordon it is clear that the pros and execs in the game expect him to go on to become a top, top player even if you don’t understand this. You are seeing huge bids coming in because he is highly valued by those that define the market, not some lads on a footy forum.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

That’s because your not prepared/able to actually tell us all what you would actually value a player at based on their actual current ability and what they bring in terms of winning football games. Because you know, taking market out of it Anthony Gordon’s football ability is not that of a 60m pound footballer. If we spent 60m on a player we would expect Goals and Assists and would be in uproar if we spent 60m on a player who offered non of the those match winning attributes.

Don’t get me wrong it’s great that somehow we might be getting 60m for him - a fee bumped up purely by prospective development and the market for such a prospect. But in terms of output in his current guise, he is not a 60m quid player.

I get it, you don't understand. That is OK.

 

[Dougie]

Isn’t it not the fact that’s it’s not 50 million plus 10 in add ons. Isn’t the problem that they offering a low up front fee, and the rest are add ons which would be unlikely to get?

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

But again, we’re talking markets - you and spadge are set on him being a 60m footballer because the market says he is and that’s what we have valued him at.

Do you think Anthony Gordon’s current footballing ability (if he played for anyone in the league) and output is that of a 60m pound footballer? (Ignore the prospect status). Based purely on his current level of football and what he brings you on the pitch is that 60m?

His value is what we define the benefits he offers against what another club sees as an acceptable cost of aquiring those benefits. Currently the market says 60 million. Whether that price meets our valuation or expected payment scedule is up to the fella that owns him.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Isn’t it not the fact that’s it’s not 50 million plus 10 in add ons. Isn’t the problem that they offering a low up front fee, and the rest are add ons which would be unlikely to get?

The schedule is everything - see Bills Curly Wurlys and Blood Brother tickets.

 

[willo30]

End of the day we need to buy goals. Last season and start of this season has proven it.
We've lost Richarlisons and DCL probably won't get any more than last season due to injury.

Unless our current attacking players are suddenly all going to become 10+ goal scorers then we need to do something quick.
If selling AG is our only option then so be it.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Isn’t it not the fact that’s it’s not 50 million plus 10 in add ons. Isn’t the problem that they offering a low up front fee, and the rest are add ons which would be unlikely to get?

Most likely if it hasn't been accepted already. £60m with a large % of it based on them winning the league or Champions League in the next five years means we'll very likely end up receiving about £25m for him.

Time to tell them £60m is fine, but it's £50m up front and £10m is quite likely-to-attain add-ons such as once he's hit 100 games for them, scores 20 goals, gets an England call up during his 5-year contract.