Appeal for witnesses...

[blulouie]

No need for the personal attacks. Keep it civil.

Just on this point you've made;



I'm sure you've doubted who really owns the club? You've certainly referenced Usmanov's involvement? That same company have repeatedly denied any involvement.

For me, the whole Everton statement absolutely stinks.

If it happened, of course it's appalling and needs condemning from everyone. The club need to release the persons name, as they have with every other incident, whether a Lucozade bottle throw, a malicious comment towards Louis Saha or an assault on a female fan. Every other example I can think of, the club were brilliant in being on it immediately - acknowledgement of the incident, transparency and action named.

Here, for some reason they've waited 12 days, and scheduled a statement for 12:00. A statement that for me, lacks transparency and is entirely self serving to point fingers at Evertonians to undermine them.

A reminder - there's absolutely no requirement or obligation for any of Everton's board to attend a football fixture.

Why release this statement a few hours before protests? Why proactively brief favourable/receptive journalists? (where did the 'headlock' detail come from?)


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Some of us remember the 'leaked emails' from many years back in how the club strategised to undermine fan concerns.

The club always acts to whatever suits them , as in the case of Patrick Vierra kicking an over zealous fan for all the world to see.
That in any form is physical assault, yet the club chose to stay silent & let the media paint the young lad as vermin & Vierra as some justified Saint.
The whole thing stinks.

 

[chicoazul]

Not just the leak though is it, the leak which landed with favourable journalists moments after the scheduled 12 statement just give the detail.

The club statement;



I'm sure the club will clarify the situation today - fans will want to know how the club are dealing with assault at Goodison.

Fair point. It was vague enough to suggest that but not be that necessarily.

I’d be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the female myself is all.

 

[chicoazul]

Well I would too, but it's not an either/or.

There is a fundamental attempt going on in this country to deligitimise peoples right to protest.

It's a very serious accusation, and one that needs to be substantiated. I'm happy to be called a bad fan for things I've done, and I'm happy to condemn other fans for things they do. But nobody should be getting dragged over the coals for things that havent happened.

There is a culture of football supporters being smeared with lies. We can oppose that and oppose violence against women. But we need this alleged assault to be substantiated in order to do this.

I don’t reckon it’s all that compared to a female allegedly being assaulted though mate. That’s too far, it’s just a game at the end of the day isn’t it?

 

[JLW]

I'm almost certain it will have come from the club, it said a club source. But if it didnt, and it's not true, they could easily come out and clarify.

In all likelihood, the press would have contacted them to establish credibility, with which they would either say yes or no.

Like everything that happens in modern society today there is always a camera somewhere. Why wouldn’t the club immediately come out and condemn the incident, the allegation if its true is shocking.

The club could easily put this to bed with a statement, but like always their silence is deafening.

 

[Dad watched Dixie]

It's important the individual is named, and banned from Goodison.

Some fans won't feel safe until that is done.

In that case, 30,000 plus fans saw Bill Kenwright do it and are willing to testify under oath

 

[JLW]

The club need to clarify it then. If the press are releasing false allegations that further damage and already deeply fractured relationship, at a time that looks intended to cause the most volatility, then it needs quashing asap. At the moment, a CEO and a fanbase are being put through the wringer off a journalist's "understanding" from an unnamed source.

Exactly mate! The club should be looking for the person who done it with the police, or if nothing happened then squash the rumours.

 

[Alan Whittle]

let the media paint the young lad as vermin & Vierra as some justified Saint.

That bit didn’t happen did it?

 

[trueblue84]

Exactly mate! The club should be looking for the person who done it with the police, or if nothing happened then squash the rumours.

I don't mind if the CEO and club genuinely wanted to downplay the incident, but it is out there now so they need to say something.

 

[Nymzee]

I’d be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the female myself is all.

I would. If it actually came from her.

 

[catcherintherye]

I don’t reckon it’s all that compared to a female allegedly being assaulted though mate. That’s too far, it’s just a game at the end of the day isn’t it?

I think we can be concerned about a woman allegedly being assaulted, and also seek clarity as to the process, when it has happened, what actions have been taken by the club etc.

Unfortunately the board are untrustworthy and are engaging in what can only be described as gas lighting mate. Not on this incident but more broadly. That is the only way to describe their assertions that fans selected all the managers etc.

So it's not a stretch to ask, is there any evidence for this? Of course there is the alleged victim to think about, but there is a wider context here as well, which is the truth needs to be established.

If she has been assaulted with a headlock, there needs to be steps taken to urgently handle the culture. I dont think it can just be wished away. She is a senior executive and it is too serious to just leave hanging.

From my perspective, if this has happened, I would want to know what actions have been taken to ensure the individual in question has had to ensure they cannot attend football games anymore.

To me all this can be done alongside saying violence is wrong.

 

[davek]

No need for the personal attacks. Keep it civil.

Just on this point you've made;



I'm sure you've doubted who really owns the club? You've certainly referenced Usmanov's involvement? That same company have repeatedly denied any involvement.

For me, the whole Everton statement absolutely stinks.

If it happened, of course it's appalling and needs condemning from everyone. The club need to release the persons name, as they have with every other incident, whether a Lucozade bottle throw, a malicious comment towards Louis Saha or an assault on a female fan. Every other example I can think of, the club were brilliant in being on it immediately - acknowledgement of the incident, transparency and action named.

Here, for some reason they've waited 12 days, and scheduled a statement for 12:00. A statement that for me, lacks transparency and is entirely self serving to point fingers at Evertonians to undermine them.

A reminder - there's absolutely no requirement or obligation for any of Everton's board to attend a football fixture.

Why release this statement a few hours before protests? Why proactively brief favourable/receptive journalists? (where did the 'headlock' detail come from?)


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Some of us remember the 'leaked emails' from many years back in how the club strategised to undermine fan concerns.

This is at core a communications issue. I think that Prentice has handled it appallingly.

 

[Moomin]

Stop the hate.

Hate equals relegation.

 

[Blue Roo]

I tend to be of the thinking that all this plays out in the larger context of the brand of the PL
Not only do many non Everton supporters probably think Everton are due to be relegated, they can now add through the (alleged) behavior of the fans they deserved to go down as well.
Why go to such lengths to fabricate? - to divert attention away from the fraudulent nature of the PL competition.
A competition that has a ceiling to how far you can go is not a competition.
(there is always room for a Leceister, but not an Everton, Everton poses a different question to their aristocracy)

And after the narrative of the relegation has been embedded, wait for the condescending tripe to come from the media about the 'historical significance and the great club that Everton was/can still be once put in its placce and taken its medicine)

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Getting annoying how the media are automatically accepting this as the truth.

The BBC just do as they are told.

 

[Yarrgh]

Fair point. It was vague enough to suggest that but not be that necessarily.

I’d be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the female myself is all.

Why give the benefit of doubt? Has she claimed to have been the victim of a crime? We've had an unknown source make a spurious allegation during a well populated event with dozens (if not hundreds) of witnesses present and no one at the club even mentioning it let alone seeking to bring the assailant to face the consequences of their actions.

DBB, or the club on her behalf, could clarify the matter. Until then I can only assume that this is a malicious campaign to smear the good name of the fans and their protest against the chronic poor management of the club over the last 3 decades.

Or are you giving DBB the benefit of the doubt that she is innocent of being party to using her name to bring the club and fans into disrepute and has been effectively forced to not clarify the situation. In which case, fair point.