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DavidH
Player Valuation: £20m
Good bloke Dave. Good manager and all.
Plenty of at the time Vierra was "extreme provocation " "verbally abused " ....does that justify kicking someone to the ground ?
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I agree. But that's why we need some clarity here.
Just a couple of things to say mate:
Firstly nothing has actually come from the alleged victim has it? If DBB has stated that she has been assaulted, that would be enough. But at present we have a leak, from I dont know who.
I could say that Arianna Grande has been assaulted. But that doesnt make it true and it shouldnt be treated with the same valour as an incident reported by a victim. I'm fully on board with supporting victims, but that is different from supporting an unnamed person, who's gender us unknown who has made a statement.
2) The second is more thorny, and one which causes a lot of discussion with my partner (who's a researcher in the VAWG sector) which is there are other considerations, other than the victim. It is important the victim is at the heart of any investigative process, but there are other stakeholders here. This is especially so with a football club, who has a standing in the community. So we need to get to the bottom of it.
It would be like if someone had racially abused someone. I'd fully understand if the victim didnt want it pursued further, but that's not the only concern. That person shouldnt be allowed back at the ground. There ought to be a consequence.
So for me, we need to get to the bottom of this.
As I think I mentioned earlier, there was an NUT rep who was accused of this, for campaigning against the Free School. The club acknowledged no wrongdoing had happened. Thank goodness we didnt just accept the version of events as automatically the truth.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
The Viera incident is the exact opposite of this, and the lad in question was roundly condemned. He was an utter knobhead, and I felt ashamed at what he did. So I'm not uncritically supportive of fans, but people are entitled to ask for evidence.
FWIW I think Everton got off very easily about the behaviour from that night.
…poor lady was murdered on her doorstep, not sure this is appropriate here.
Spadge Vernacular
Player Valuation: £70m
At least we are talking about headlocks and not the absolute incompetence of the board.
Oh yes, and
Oh yes, and
Do you think if the lad ( of course it was wrong what he done , he shouldn't even be on the pitch ) had booted Vierra to the ground the outcome would have been the same.
Alan Whittle
Player Valuation: £60m
@catcherintherye @blulouie
The difference between the two incidents at the moment seems to be that the altercation between the lad and Vieira was witnessed by thousands and this “headlock” business seems to have been witnessed by no one.
I appreciate people will have different (and some strong) views on the Vieira incident but I do not recall the media polarising the protagonists in the manner suggested.
The difference between the two incidents at the moment seems to be that the altercation between the lad and Vieira was witnessed by thousands and this “headlock” business seems to have been witnessed by no one.
I appreciate people will have different (and some strong) views on the Vieira incident but I do not recall the media polarising the protagonists in the manner suggested.
Another shady moment on the laundry list of f**kery under Bill's watch.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
It's just not the same though is it?
If you go to someone work place, trespass and hurl abuse at them, the context of you booting them is going to be different to them booting you isnt it?
Yes totally different incidents.
My point was the club (EFC) not taking issue with a nationally seen physical assault , in the stadium irrespectful of who it was.
Yet they ( club source ) have briefed the media for an incident in the directors box without any witnesses or video footage .
You will find the vast majority of Evertonians condem any sort of violence at or near football grounds.
What we will not tolerate is the club using / not using incidents like these to suit there narrative whenever they want to deflect blame for the mess they have created here.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I think the takeout from the Viera incident, is that anything, however innocuous is almost certainly picked up these days. A headlock of a CEO of a business would be picked up.
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