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2019/20 Bill Kenwright

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You don't see it because you don't want to see it.

What else do you suggest he should have done? Invest money that wasn't there? Like Leeds did actually... This line of thinking is mad, it would have doomed us.

When did we come painfully close to the drop under him? (as in when he took over not when he was on the board).
Elstone admitted at the Kirkby enquiry that the club couldn't be sold from the moment they entered into an exclusivity agreement with Tesco, which was only lifted once the whole debacle was finally brought to a close. I would suggest that Kenwright shouldn't have done that.

He might not have turned Everton into Leeds, but he did everything in his power to try and turn us into Wigan.
 
Elstone admitted at the Kirkby enquiry that the club couldn't be sold from the moment they entered into an exclusivity agreement with Tesco, which was only lifted once the whole debacle was finally brought to a close. I would suggest that Kenwright shouldn't have done that.

He might not have turned Everton into Leeds, but he did everything in his power to try and turn us into Wigan.

Rubbish. It was normal practice for Tescos to have some sort of exclusivity to protect their interests, and incidentally the interests of Everton were also protected. Do you think major companies go into multi million pound deals without covering their backs?
 
Are Leeds really that big of a club? They are a club with the potential to be big in terms of support but they have probably spent over half of my life outside the top flight (I'm in my 40s)

Being a big club is a very fluid thing anyway. I mean Chelsea are a big club now, its not a recent thing they have been up there for about 20 years now. I do find that a lot of people judging big clubs seems to be based on where they were in the league table when you were growing up.

It is fluid and I take your point, much in life is based on our formative years. That said, will today’s teenagers form the opinion that Watford are bigger than Leeds? In the end it matters not, it’s really about what happens next, Bill has taken us through a prolonged period of attrition but he has at least kept us in the game, unlike the owners of other famous names. Maybe he could’ve sold out sooner, maybe there’s some substance to the stories about rich Sheikhs lining up to buy us and Bill resisting, but I suspect we will never know. I resent much of what has happened under his ownership, but it’s in the past now, almost.
 
He paid 9m for his initial stake and sold half of it for 22.75m (so 45 is the value) so 500% increase, not bad and a hero into the bargain.

There is an investment opportunity for willing philanthropists at Bramley-Moore if he’s interested..,
You’re clueless. He borrowed the money to buy us and I very much doubt that he made much profit at all given all the shenanigans and refinancing.
 

Rubbish. It was normal practice for Tescos to have some sort of exclusivity to protect their interests, and incidentally the interests of Everton were also protected. Do you think major companies go into multi million pound deals without covering their backs?
I don't blame Tesco whatsoever; they did what was right for themselves.

However, the 'interests of Everton' were never represented at any stage, which is why the government official who pulled the plug has since joined Hans Segers and Trabzonspor's racist chairman on our list of infamous saviours.
 
Are Leeds really that big of a club? They are a club with the potential to be big in terms of support but they have probably spent over half of my life outside the top flight (I'm in my 40s)

Being a big club is a very fluid thing anyway. I mean Chelsea are a big club now, its not a recent thing they have been up there for about 20 years now. I do find that a lot of people judging big clubs seems to be based on where they were in the league table when you were growing up.
Exactly what I was getting at earlier. You’ve got the same people scoffing at the idea of Sunderland being a big club because their success was too long ago, and at city being a big club because their success is too recent. If a teams success wasn’t within the parameters you deem important it’s not relevant apparently.
 
The refinancing/ debt was paid off by the new owner
You think the debt Bill incurred when he bought the club from Johnson was serviced by Moshiri? When you buy someone out you own the business warts and all, you’re trying to present it as something out of the ordinary, or to suggest that Bill has been laughing all the way to the bank. When you have Kirkby, Samuelson, Green and a host of other valid claims against Bill, quite why you’d attempt to push this rubbish is beyond me, but carry on.
 
You think the debt Bill incurred when he bought the club from Johnson was serviced by Moshiri? When you buy someone out you own the business warts and all, you’re trying to present it as something out of the ordinary, or to suggest that Bill has been laughing all the way to the bank. When you have Kirkby, Samuelson, Green and a host of other valid claims against Bill, quite why you’d attempt to push this rubbish is beyond me, but carry on.
Bought in for 9, worth 45. Fair play to him, that’s capitalism and perfectly fine


The way some try to portray it as philanthropy though, where else can you make that return, the club didn’t need to grow, the Premier League lifted all boats.

We did need to stay in it though. Thank goodness for the contribution of Thomas Wayne Rooney and the cheque book of Manchester United, our 2 biggest investors in 15 years, where would we be without them.
 

Bought in for 9, worth 45. Fair play to him, that’s capitalism and perfectly fine


The way some try to portray it as philanthropy though, where else can you make that return, the club didn’t need to grow, the Premier League lifted all boats.

We did need to stay in it though. Thank goodness for the contribution of Thomas Wayne Rooney and the cheque book of Manchester United, our 2 biggest investors in 15 years, where would we be without them.
Dont forget City's contributions for Lescott, Rodwell and Stones
 
Rubbish. It was normal practice for Tescos to have some sort of exclusivity to protect their interests, and incidentally the interests of Everton were also protected. Do you think major companies go into multi million pound deals without covering their backs?

Think the only way we were getting sold with Bill owning us, is if Bill was kept on in some echelon of power, like chairman, this has been proved. He only ever wanted investment throughout his ownership, someone else to fund his club, even you have to admit that Steve.
 

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