Bill Kenwright

[davek]

I dont see any circus so I dont understand your point. All I saw was a baffling statement by the chairman that undermined the manager and players.

I couldn't care less about noise on social media. Its totally irrelevant.

So to answer your question, I dont believe fan discussion has any impact whatsoever on our chances of survival. The way the club has been run clearly has had a huge impact on whether we will be relegated.

Kenwright's statement was a respnse to the AllTogetherNow probing of his health status.

FFS, this isn't rocket science: we're in a relegation battle up to our necks, but some people wish to throw petrol on flames.

Never forgotten and never forgiven by me.

 

[Neiler]

The simple response to that angle is how will change ever come about if fans do not do anything to encourage changes to be made?

But what is change mate - change is a subjective concept without a concreate objective, stategy or pathway - if i want Moshiri out -- why would i support Alltogther as they just want the board out - and dont put a hand on the owner. And how far are you willing to go to get it, i mean where's your limit - are personal details fair game? Where and what actions do you draw the line with, who is going to decide - because at the moment its anonymouys and how far personally would draw the line - i mean why didnt the leaders of alltogthernow put their necks on the line and personally call Kenwright out on his health ground on their individual feeds - if they felt it was appropriate to put it out in the public domain - where they afraid of legal recourse - would you do it?

Again this falls back to the binary, if you want change - you have to support Alltogehternow and all they do - you dont. You can want change (objective) and not be happy with a movement that releases personal health details being lobbed at individual in a professional capacity over twitterspace and in the national media.

 

[mikel_88]

I support the right to any peaceful protest. But it has absolutely no bearing on my opinion. I dont need anyone else to tell me stuff that is absolutely obvious.

My personal opinion is that we as fans have failed in our duty and all this is far too little too late. We should have demanded better from the club and asked for positive changes many years ago.

The statement yesterday by BK was divisive and undermined the manager. Nothing done before matches by fans has done that.

Agree but is not to late, yes should have been done earlier but the longer we dont get change at this club the more the club will be stuck in the past. The fight for relegation is the reason that we have held back after the protest. Will be alot more pressure after this season, i hope we can stay up and all remember what this board has done

 

[davek]

Kenwright is the ringmaster, Dave.

There is NEVER a good time to pressure him. There is ALWAYS a reason to hold off, wait, defer. We've been deferring for 24 years.

The main singular reason the club is fighting relegation is...Chairman Bill.

This season's relegation battle is simply that - a battle. The war will never be won as long as Chairman Bill remains in situ, dousing the club in his putrid cologne of managed decline with alluring hints of fragrant, overly-sweet sentimentality.

The position we're in now is THE worst moment to focus on that idiot.

And btw, the focus is on that man because that protest group dont have the bollocks to stand up and demand that the main culprit Moshiri has to go.

 

[Lob]

Kenwright's statement was a respnse to the AllTogetherNow probing of his health status.

FFS, this isn't rocket science: we're in a relegation battle up to our necks, but some people wish to throw petrol on flames.

Never forgotten and never forgiven by me.

Said from the start that they should never have brought his health into it. Didn't need to. The incompetence has been there for decades and is the reason we are where we are and why he needs removing. Nothing to do with health. Very naive and amateur from them and was jumped on as everyone apart from them expected.

 

[efcste97]

It's not as black and white as that.

You CAN want the board gone AND retain discipline and focus so as to not help hurtle the club over the cliff edge into the Championship.

When the history of this and last season come to be written there'll be some people who will look back on their time and - if they're at all honest - will be ashamed of what they contributed to this mess.

This isn't just a potential catastrophe made buy the owner and board, it was also concocted by the people who gave them unqualified support when the appalling waste of spending occured and managerial culling that got us here happened - things that they pushed for....the same people now who are agitating for more disruption in the teeth of a relegation campaign no doubt.

I've always said there's blame enough to go round here. The honest amongst the fans will hold their hands up and admit that they along with the club hierarchy contributed to this mess.

Do you believe protest is ever right? I can imagine you blerting out the same nonsense next season when we're down in the championship. No matter how much you try to frame the fans with your slight digs, The circus that is the everton board is what's ultimately going to send us down.

 

[MikeH72]

The position we're in now is THE worst moment to focus on that idiot.

And btw, the focus is on that man because that protest group dont have the bollocks to stand up and demand that the main culprit Moshiri has to go.

I agreed with this initially, but there has been plenty of heat on Moshiri and his name has been appearing on banners regularly this season.

 

[IrishBlue2022]

Thats my analaysis to.

One of the things i would also query is its governance structure, strategy and communication - who was it that made the decision to bring up health grounds, was it a person, was it a group. a hierarchy - who is that, how was it decided, who decides the strategic approach, who fundss it - for a group that wants communication and transparency in decision making - there is little coming the other way.

The premise isnt binary and thats the peice people are confused about - its like Brexit politics black and white thinking, its possible to want change at the club and not be supportive of the approach of altogether now - the two things can exist together - thats the piece people are lost in or are afraid to query because they will be accused of being one or the other and not questioning is never healthy - nothing is ever absolute or binary - what if there could be a better protest movement!?!- do they get to do anything they like in the name in the fans simily because they "protest" - sorry no.

Is it still not known who actually wrote the statement, who posted it etc?

I don't mean the collective group. But who are the individuals behind it. As you said you can't call for transparency and be faceless and nameless at the same time.

As i said before there was alot of positives of the fan base pulling together against the board but mis-steps such as that statement creates division and could split the fanbase again and thats counter productive to what we need right now.

As much as Kenwrights response was a delusional disaster it was a reponse to the All Toegther Now movements disaster of a statement and that seemed to be acknowledged as they pulled it quite quickly as far as I'm aware.

Both combined has created the situation we are in to take focus away from a very important game this afternoon. Lets hope its not to our detriment.

 

[bicycleheader]

Dave’s gone full Kenwright here with this attention seeking

Never go full Kenwright

 

[LEONARD]

Fantastic rant from Ped at Toffee TV, say's it all about Bill's latesr press release.

 

[Moonlight dribbler]

Kenwright has to be forced out. The danger with emphasising Moshiri would be for Kenwright to escape the net. The club could be sold and he remains as chairman with his twisted viewpoint standing.

 

[Carlito]

He shouldn’t have invited her onto the board in the first place,they deserve each other, she’s worked her way up to this appointment and accepted these promotions without any credentials to do the job she finally finished up with, hopefully Everton are finished with her.

A hierarchy built on the Peter Principle.

 

[Tommy.]

Dave’s gone full Kenwright here with this attention seeking

Never go full Kenwright

It's like the ghost of Foreverbannedfrommorgues92 and Carlin have passed on the incel baton behind the scenes and Dave is giving it his level best to do them proud.

Such a shame what he's become.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Do you believe protest is ever right? I can imagine you blerting out the same nonsense next season when we're down in the championship. No matter how much you try to frame the fans with your slight digs, The circus that is the everton board is what's ultimately going to send us down.

He will advocate protest only when the prevailing opinion is against it.
He is Captain Contrary, whenever he inadvertently finds himself voicing the majority opinion he adroitly performs a brazen volte- face.

 

[efcste97]

I agreed with this initially, but there has been plenty of heat on Moshiri and his name has been appearing on banners regularly this season.

Daveks right, Overall not enough pressure is put on Moshiri.