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Bill Kenwright

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Big Duncs Megadrive said:
There's no doubt that Bill didn't get everything right as Chairman and stayed on far too long in the end, but if you take in to account what happened from 2004 onwards (Chelsea Russian takeover, Man City Abu Dhabi takeover) He managed to keep the club effectively punching above it's weight for the majority of that time.

The reason that Moshiri kept him front and centre was mainly due to his passion and dedication to the club. I was never lucky enough to meet Bill but one of my friends did and she said that the thing that struck her the most was how that he knew everybody's name, from the tea lady to the car park attendant, Bill knew them all!

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but being glad that Bill is dead shows a complete lack of class, and dignity!
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No one is glad he's dead, stop being another drama Queen, were glad he's not Chairman of owner anymore or anything to do with Everton. Oh and for the record, David Moyes kept Everton punching above their weight, with his astute signings...on a shoestring.
 
Duncan Donuts said:
Let’s say Moshiri had just died of cancer instead, does anyone really believe that his thread would be filled with as much bile as this one?

It wouldn’t. Simple as that.
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Big Duncs Megadrive said:
There's no doubt that Bill didn't get everything right as Chairman and stayed on far too long in the end, but if you take in to account what happened from 2004 onwards (Chelsea Russian takeover, Man City Abu Dhabi takeover) He managed to keep the club effectively punching above it's weight for the majority of that time.

The reason that Moshiri kept him front and centre was mainly due to his passion and dedication to the club. I was never lucky enough to meet Bill but one of my friends did and she said that the thing that struck her the most was how that he knew everybody's name, from the tea lady to the car park attendant, Bill knew them all!

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but being glad that Bill is dead shows a complete lack of class, and dignity!
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"Punching above our weight".....?

We're Everton FC, not some recently promoted nomarks. Confirmation of the lowering of standards trade mark narrative nurtured throughout the BK era.

We've only got Moyes to thank for our relative footballing stability of that era. He had a zero net spend for almost a decade.... so that achievement was his and not the people who was supposed to be boosting our finances and building our infrastructure. They were too busy selling every material/playing asset to pay of Philip Green etc. Carpet bagged by one of own (allegedly).

Turned us into a nothing club...
 

Big Duncs Megadrive said:
There's no doubt that Bill didn't get everything right as Chairman and stayed on far too long in the end, but if you take in to account what happened from 2004 onwards (Chelsea Russian takeover, Man City Abu Dhabi takeover) He managed to keep the club effectively punching above it's weight for the majority of that time.

The reason that Moshiri kept him front and centre was mainly due to his passion and dedication to the club. I was never lucky enough to meet Bill but one of my friends did and she said that the thing that struck her the most was how that he knew everybody's name, from the tea lady to the car park attendant, Bill knew them all!

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but being glad that Bill is dead shows a complete lack of class, and dignity!
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Who’s actually said they’re glad he’s dead?

Also It was down to Moyes we punched above our Weight not Bill, he thought Martinez was mark 11 and put his picture on the side of goodison for finishing 5th. Sir John Moores sacked a manger who finished 4th that’s the difference. And then couldn’t get.

And yes it’s great he knows everybody’s name, but unfortunately that’s stuck in the old days when chairman would do a lot of the work from top to bottom. To be a successful club now you need be run differently and professionally
 
Big Duncs Megadrive said:
There's no doubt that Bill didn't get everything right as Chairman and stayed on far too long in the end, but if you take in to account what happened from 2004 onwards (Chelsea Russian takeover, Man City Abu Dhabi takeover) He managed to keep the club effectively punching above it's weight for the majority of that time.

The reason that Moshiri kept him front and centre was mainly due to his passion and dedication to the club. I was never lucky enough to meet Bill but one of my friends did and she said that the thing that struck her the most was how that he knew everybody's name, from the tea lady to the car park attendant, Bill knew them all!

Everybody is entitled to their opinion but being glad that Bill is dead shows a complete lack of class, and dignity!
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I'm not sure what to pick apart first so I'll leave it.

Cheers.
 
Duncan Donuts said:
You’ve inadvertently hit the nail on the head there. Moshiri could have pushed him out anytime he wanted to.

This is what I keep saying. There are plenty of things that can be levelled at Bill but Moshiri is ultimately responsible for the last 7-8 years and the position Everton Football Club finds itself in today.

Let’s say Moshiri had just died of cancer instead, does anyone really believe that his thread would be filled with as much bile as this one?

It wouldn’t. Simple as that.
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Tell ya what my helmet list is filling up quick this week.
 
Big Duncs Megadrive said:
He managed to keep the club effectively punching above it's weight for the majority of that time.
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This in a nutshell is why we're all angry with the club.

Our perception is our club should be challenging for honours not "punching above its weight". That's what outside no marks come up with.

What does that even mean anyway? It means that
Kenwright had dumbed down the expectations of 'Everton Football Club'.
Staying in top flight should be seen as success.
Kenwright succeeded in brainwashing people he's been a successful chairman.
We've had good times.

His duty of care for the football club should have been overriding but he was not a good chairman loosely speaking it was his trainset, his toy, he couldn't let it go. Therefore it was to the detriment of Everton Football Club.

A good chairman would have been planning to restore Everton to the top - and be making plans, to get there. Instead the club stood still and when you stand still you go backwards. Even with Moshiri's millions and the 'window of opportunity' there was no duty of care. Every single step, every decision, all to the detriment of the football club. He just couldn't let it go. An old(er) man, clinging on. The ill-health simply magnifies it. He should have been moved sideways within months of Moshiri's arrival. He may have saved face.
 

Davideeyore said:
This in a nutshell is why we're all angry with the club.

Our perception is our club should be challenging for honours not "punching above its weight". That's what outside no marks come up with.

What does that even mean anyway? It means that
Kenwright had dumbed down the expectations of 'Everton Football Club'.
Staying in top flight should be seen as success.
Kenwright succeeded in brainwashing people he's been a successful chairman.
We've had good times.

His duty of care for the football club should have been overriding but he was not a good chairman loosely speaking it was his trainset, his toy, he couldn't let it go. Therefore it was to the detriment of Everton Football Club.

A good chairman would have been planning to restore Everton to the top - and be making plans, to get there. Instead the club stood still and when you stand still you go backwards. Even with Moshiri's millions and the 'window of opportunity' there was no duty of care. Every single step, every decision, all to the detriment of the football club. He just couldn't let it go. An old(er) man, clinging on. The ill-health simply magnifies it. He should have been moved sideways within months of Moshiri's arrival. He may have saved face.
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Good post and what aggravated the situation is the fact that applying a true duty of care would mean voluntarily stepping aside once you realised you could not deliver. The only rational I saw for this from him was the ludicrous sugg stion that there was nobody suitable and he was needed Insitu to protect the club.
 
Davideeyore said:
This in a nutshell is why we're all angry with the club.

Our perception is our club should be challenging for honours not "punching above its weight". That's what outside no marks come up with.

What does that even mean anyway? It means that
Kenwright had dumbed down the expectations of 'Everton Football Club'.
Staying in top flight should be seen as success.
Kenwright succeeded in brainwashing people he's been a successful chairman.
We've had good times.

His duty of care for the football club should have been overriding but he was not a good chairman loosely speaking it was his trainset, his toy, he couldn't let it go. Therefore it was to the detriment of Everton Football Club.

A good chairman would have been planning to restore Everton to the top - and be making plans, to get there. Instead the club stood still and when you stand still you go backwards. Even with Moshiri's millions and the 'window of opportunity' there was no duty of care. Every single step, every decision, all to the detriment of the football club. He just couldn't let it go. An old(er) man, clinging on. The ill-health simply magnifies it. He should have been moved sideways within months of Moshiri's arrival. He may have saved face.
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I think that's a big part of the problem though.

Once Abramovich got his claws in to Chelsea and then Abu Dhabi rocked up at City, No chairman in the world would have made a difference!

Let's go through it season by season.

2004/05 - 4th, good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United
2005/06 - 11th, bad season, rocked by injuries and a failure to qualify for the champions league.
2006/07 - 6th good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and Man United
2007/08 - 5th, good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United
2008/09 - 5th, good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United
2009/10 - 8th, Ok season, the beginning of the rise of City.
2010/11 - 7th, good season.
2011/12 - 7th, good season.
2012/13 - 6th good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Spurs and Man United
2013/14 - 5th, good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and City

So that's a ten year period where you've got the rise of two of the biggest cheats in football plus United, Liverpool and Arsenal to compete with who all have bigger stadiums, and more money.

Admittedly the subsequent ten seasons have seen the club decline and Bill does bear some responsibility for that.
 
Big Duncs Megadrive said:
I think that's a big part of the problem though.

Once Abramovich got his claws in to Chelsea and then Abu Dhabi rocked up at City, No chairman in the world would have made a difference!

Let's go through it season by season.

2004/05 - 4th, good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United
2005/06 - 11th, bad season, rocked by injuries and a failure to qualify for the champions league.
2006/07 - 6th good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and Man United
2007/08 - 5th, good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United
2008/09 - 5th, good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United
2009/10 - 8th, Ok season, the beginning of the rise of City.
2010/11 - 7th, good season.
2011/12 - 7th, good season.
2012/13 - 6th good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Spurs and Man United
2013/14 - 5th, good season only below Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and City

So that's a ten ye5ar period where you've got the rise of two of the biggest cheats in football plus United, Liverpool and Arsenal to compete with who all have bigger stadiums, and more money.

Admittedly the subsequent ten seasons have seen the club decline and Bill does bear some responsibility for that.
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That was down to moyes though and his ability to get the best out of what he had, having the ability to pick up lower league or foreign players on the cheap and make a success out of them.

I'd say most other managers at ghat time could have easily had us relegated given the same resources moyes had. Kenwright was a wrongun
 
Goodisongang said:
That was down to moyes though and his ability to get the best out of what he had, having the ability to pick up lower league or foreign players on the cheap and make a success out of them.

I'd say most other managers at ghat time could have easily had us relegated given the same resources moyes had. Kenwright was a wrongun
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Presumably Moyes must have been pretty happy working for Bill for 11 years though?
 

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