blue union meeting.

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Main issue is funding. Current board couldnt fund a bike shed never mind a stadium.


Would love to see goodison redeveloped over a new stadium, it was too hastily written off by the board as an option

While I'd like Goodison to be redeveloped, I hope it wouldn't mean buying the surrounding houses and forcing people out (ala what Liverpool are doing)

If we can jazz up the Park End and get some extra seats in though, I'm up for that

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Maybe if there was solidarity amongst our fanbase with the BU instead of sneering & sniping it might be more effective?

Agreed

Until we as a fan base all unite around a common cause, we'll never be able to affect any change

Sadly, I don't see this issue being the straw that breaks the proverbial camels back

 

[atrottel]

To be honest, I think the only thing that is going to concentrate board minds on movement - either redevelopment or a new ground - is Goodison failing health and safety inspections, which can't be that far off in the medium term. Nobody is going to donate the money for a new ground and there is no financial case for it from the pov of return on investment.

 

[Tramps_mate]

I can't stand the board and have supported the Blue Union on and off. There's certainly a need for a decent fans pressure group.

But to try and launch some new attack because an academic architect has come up with "a plan" is a bit of a nonsense. That hotel in the scheme would be the mother of all white elephants! Town is packed on a weekend with people that want to walk around the docks and Matthew st. You'd only get the committed blue that's want to stay in L4!

My understanding is the whole Walton park idea is based on it enabling wider development to help the club make a profit around the stadium to help with the cost. Redeveloping Goodison will never do that.

If someone is out there with £200m then we're in business either with a redeveloped Goodison or a new stadium elsewhere. But whilst we're stuck with this shower of s<€# then it has to somehow pay for itself.

Kings Dock was the one but we blew it.

But maybe the blue union know something we don't and Premier Inn have all of a sudden gone mad into the footy niche market and want a 900 room hotel off County Road after all....

How did we blow it? Please divulge.. Because what I heard suggests we were being screwed over by the council and utilities and we said no.

 

[Tramps_mate]

Bear in mind as well that in a few years time, there will be 15,000 more Kopites going the match, mostly (probably) from out of town, and all in need of a place to stay. The idea that a hotel isn't feasible appears to lack foresight. An Everton board lacking foresight - perish the thought!

You want to build a hotel for kopites?

 

[Tramps_mate]

How long would it take for her to do 250 million tramps?

I know a few, but not that many...

 

[AndyC]

To be honest, I think the only thing that is going to concentrate board minds on movement - either redevelopment or a new ground - is Goodison failing health and safety inspections, which can't be that far off in the medium term. Nobody is going to donate the money for a new ground and there is no financial case for it from the pov of return on investment.

There's been a mixture of optimism and pessimism, positivity and negativity, ideas and pi55-taking in this thread, but this point about GP potentially failing to meet future H&S requirements is arguably the most alarming.

If no credible investment/buyout deal can be brokered within the next say 3-5 years, and no new stadium or workable redevelopment can be funded and approved... then H&S further limiting capacity or heaven forbid closing GP would be the death knell.

The board must act and the fan base of this great club needs to unite.

 

[Tramps_mate]

I always though that was the fella who sits with Kenwright? Anyone know who that fella is then, the one with the moustache and sits with Kenwright every game, Woods perhaps?

Weve always wondered that! Haha

 

[Tramps_mate]

Our current setup/regime haven't instilled any confidence whatsoever that they're capable of delivering progress of the magnitude required.

Google 'Park End Annexe'.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/park-end-annexe-not-going-to-happen-now.35399/

This??

 

[SteRobbo84]

Weve always wondered that! Haha

It is indeed Jon Woods, the useless walrus.

 

[orly]

Everton are a dying club similar to Leeds United, only difference we haven't been relegated yet.We can't compete in this city because of the RS influence everywhere ,there will always be obstacles in our way.

A steaming pile of absolute bilge

 

[evertony]

With respect mate it is this type of response which makes it difficult for many to offer support to BU.

Surely BU should be doing everything in its power to gather support rather than ridiculing the very people whose support you need.

So if you stopped the us and them attitude with fellow supporters you might find it easier to start communicating your views of the Board and most importantly your plans to help bring about change.

Every Evertonian wants to see the club improve, be stronger, more successful etc etc - the fact that BU has difficulty in gaining the support of the majority says more about how BU have acted and communicated than it does about the bulk of Everton's support.

Absolutely nailed it there, The Esk. I am 100% convinced that the majority of Blues would listen more favourably to open and positive dialogue from BU, the board or other supporters groups if the mud-slinging and "happy clappers" rubbish was left in the dustbin where it belongs. Harnessing support needs to be the number 1 objective in harmony with the club, not against it. Every single Blue wants progress and most are acutely aware that we need to do it smarter than most in order to maximise our comparatively limited revenue sources. A positive start would be an open and honest discussion between BU and the Board without the constant jibes about individuals capabilities.....until that's done and trust is restored there will be limited progress. BU working with the board and the board recognising BU's overall good intentions would see any project given a major kick start.

 

[evertony]

Not really - it says a lot about the club's power within the local media to tarnish a group's name and then give them no air time or print space.

It's an open secret that Radio City has a ban on anyone ringing up the phone in to criticise the board because Graeme 'Two men and a dog' Sharp hosts the phone in. Radio Merseyside to a lesser extent isn't keen on board criticism. The Red Echo banned its' reporters from attending and reporting on any of the Blue Union meetings from 2011 to 2014.

None of this is fantasy. All of this true and well known. Like with anything, hearts and minds need to be won. If there's no coverage, especially positive coverage, nothing gains traction and we get threads like this full of people sneering, mocking, bashing fellow Evertonians for suggesting ideas on how to move the club forward.

What does the club do? What does the club suggest? At least these supporters are trying.

And these ARE viable ideas, because lots of other seemingly lesser clubs than Everton can do redevelopment stuff like this. There is no reason why we can't, and if there is a reason, it's because someone is at fault and not running their business properly.

In fairness I think you're missing The Esks point. It's not media related....just take a look at some of the comments or have a look in the Vault at previous BU- related threads.....it's fans themselves, not the media who are causing the disharmony. There needs to be common ground (pardon the pun) between BU and the rest of the support and a mutual appreciation of viewpoints before any progress in terms of getting everyone onside can be made. This business about being Kenwright lovers or happy clappers simply alienated the vast majority of supporters. I'm no Kenwright lover and certainly not a happy clapper but I appreciate BK's position....it's a tough spot to be in. He's a supporter but also the man charged with keeping us competitive - he clearly doesn't have the personal wealth to contribute significantly and appears to be lacking in the ability to find an appropriate buyer for the club. Employing professionals to do that seems straightforward enough to me, but like a lot of Blues I'd be very concerned about who might buy us and what direction it could take the club. New ownership is a massive issue....very much a 50:50 gamble if you get the right person/group or the wrong one. It's a fine balance between moving Everton onwards for the next 50 years or ruining the history of the last 137 years.
For me two things need to occur to move this particular relationship to grow.....The Board need to come out and be wholly transparent about their strategic plans for Evertons future and be clear in expressing their financial capability or plans to increase revenues or find a buyer, and the main guys at BU need to come out and openly challenge the less diplomatic amongst their support and get them all working for the same goal instead of the back-biting and petty squabbling that turns other Blues completely off.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Everton are a dying club similar to Leeds United, only difference we haven't been relegated yet.We can't compete in this city because of the RS influence everywhere ,there will always be obstacles in our way.

The obstacles of redeveloping GP is of the boards making.

 

[Tramps_mate]

While I'd like Goodison to be redeveloped, I hope it wouldn't mean buying the surrounding houses and forcing people out (ala what Liverpool are doing)

If we can jazz up the Park End and get some extra seats in though, I'm up for that

Our stadium is archaic though. Run down, bad seating, many many restricted views, the whole lot needs demolition or we build new elsewhere.