2019/20 Carlo Ancelotti

[coollino]

Of course it is, what better place to do that than on a football forum?

Completely wiping out the whole of Tehran has been mentioned in another thread so you could be right lol

 

[Deleted member 38674]

Always dubious of these stories because how can they even know this?

Do you know how many people will have been in that changing room while that talk was going on?

Coaches, kit men, physio's, all sorts of backroom staff, maybe even some of the players who travelled but didn't play.

It only takes one of them to talk to their families / friends about what happened.

So even if it's not straight from the horses mouth, journo's pay for that sort of inside info.

And there's always someone ready to talk, anonymously of course.

 

[Lanolin]

Every single senior player who questioned Ancelotti should never play for the club again.

They have some nerve. They didn't try their best. They were out worked, out ran and out thought.

Of course Ancelotti could have done better. But to question a 3 time CL winner after under 2 weeks is actually disgraceful and shows how dire their attitudes are.

The sign of a true no mark is always looking to blame someone else for your own failures. That's what these players are: NO MARKS.

They can't win in this type of situation though can they? It's the same every time, whatever happens will be spun into a negative by fans who just don't like them. People spend months calling them spineless and pussycats and whatever, and then when it's reported that they've shown a bit of passion and argued because they were hurting, they get called out for having the gall to do it.

Tom Davies wasn't hurting enough and should never play for us again because he drank a cup of tea two days after the game, and anyone who was hurting enough to kick off in the changing rooms straight after the game should never play for us again either because it proves their attitude is dire. There's evidently some perfect level of hurt that they should all have reached and acted accordingly, hopefully they bear that in mind for future.

 

[hallamblue]

They can't win in this type of situation though can they? It's the same every time, whatever happens will be spun into a negative by fans who just don't like them. People spend months calling them spineless and pussycats and whatever, and then when it's reported that they've shown a bit of passion and argued because they were hurting, they get called out for having the gall to do it.

Tom Davies wasn't hurting enough and should never play for us again because he drank a cup of tea two days after the game, and anyone who was hurting enough to kick off in the changing rooms straight after the game should never play for us again either because it proves their attitude is dire. There's evidently some perfect level of hurt that they should all have reached and acted accordingly, hopefully they bear that in mind for future.

You can never criticise Tom Davies for lack of effort though. The minimum required is to run around for 90 minutes, and some of our players aren't prepared to do that.

 

[roy vernon]

Time these bottle job cowards of players put as much energy into their game as they do into making excuses.
Thankfully Carlo is too big a name for them to throw him under the bus.
Time to root out the cancer in that dressing room once and for all.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

So even if it's not straight from the horses mouth, journo's pay for that sort of inside info.

They absolutely don't.

There's an ethical and professional standards aspect that generally mitigates against paying for information. But, more pertinently, how much do you honestly reckon the average beat reporter is making? Not enough to be throwing at people who may have heard something from their mate who folds the towels, that's for sure.

 

[Lanolin]

You can never criticise Tom Davies for lack of effort though. The minimum required is to run around for 90 minutes, and some of our players aren't prepared to do that.

Have you ever looked in Tom Davies's thread? I can assure you that people do criticise him for lack of effort.

 

[Blueclouds]

Time these bottle job cowards of players put as much energy into their game as they do into making excuses.
Thankfully Carlo is too big a name for them to throw him under the bus.
Time to root out the cancer in that dressing room once and for all.

That why having Carlo is good for us, the board will see that it the squad is the issue, not the managers

 

[Yarrgh]

Boyland and O'Keefe's article in the athletic today has Ferguson spending 25 minutes with the players in the dressing room on sunday and "senior players" blaming tactics and set up for being unable to pass the ball forward or find a man or put 3 passes together.

Some of em have just signed their release there, I reckon.

Whaaaa.... not a one of them acted like a senior player.

I am left speechless at the audacity of this. Not being an athletic subscriber, I haven't read the article. I have questions though.

Why and how did this 25 minute session with Ferguson come about? Did Ancelotti ask him to do it, to try and not intimidate them into giving answers they thought would please him? Or were those brave senior pros who bottled it against a bunch of kids, bottling it by not wanting to thrash it out with the manager who carries the authority hard gained by being more decorated and successful as a manager and player than all of them put together? Another alternative was it was started by Ferguson - in which case, Ancelotti had better keep an eye on him if he is causing further unrest.

I saw the tactics shifting and the set up change over the course of that match, as I did the last game. Frankly if the players aren't capable of seeing that the manager is trying to coax them into coping with an opponent despite their inability to play, then they are either stupid or being willfully ignorant.

Things are coming to a head. Those players need a good hard look at themselves. They let themselves and us down. Ancelotti saw a loss with a team that was not his, I hope he sees this as as someone wrote earlier in this thread, " a sign of the disease, not the cure." Cut out the disease please. Let's get this club functioning in a healthy way please.

 

[Saint Domingo]

It’s a good sign in my view that they’re railing against Ancelloti. That will only end up one way with them going out of the door. Also a good sign that Dunc is ripping into them. They were far too matey with Martinez and Silva and knew that they could get Koeman and Allardyce fired off they just downed tools. They have nowhere to go with Ancelotti. He won’t accept them larking about and they know they can’t get him fired. Their time is up and they hate it.

 

[bol-uk]

No, as other posters have explained, tactics don't explain why players aren't passing properly. Why they were giving up.
That performance isn't a one-off. It's not the result of poor tactics or a manager getting it wrong on the day.
It's the players. It's the 'senior' players.

What 'tactics' would have seen us beat that team on Sunday?
Did Ancelotti tell everyone to aim at the keeper in the first half?

This is the same players who battered chelsea and were unbeaten in 4. All international players we bought because they were good players all become crap at the same time and it is not down to the crap managers we have had in the last 4 years?
If Klopp had any of those players they would be playing out of their skin and not getting rinsed by 17 year olds, they are all totally demotivated and it shows.

The worse thing is, next home game, the boo boys will all turn up and compound the issue.

 

[GwladysBlue]

I bet these were the same players who said Moshiri coming into a team meeting prior to sacking Silva was a waste of time.

We need to cut the cancers away from the squad urgently. They have no respect for the club or management.

 

[bol-uk]

@bol-uk is right in fairness Ancelotti's tactics and team selection left alot to be desired.

However at the same time the players squandered numerous chances in the first half and shown no fight in the 2nd.

A combination of both in fairness.

We should have been 3 up and then in the second half were totally devoid of ideas due to no plan.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Whaaaa.... not a one of them acted like a senior player.

I am left speechless at the audacity of this. Not being an athletic subscriber, I haven't read the article. I have questions though.

Why and how did this 25 minute session with Ferguson come about? Did Ancelotti ask him to do it, to try and not intimidate them into giving answers they thought would please him? Or were those brave senior pros who bottled it against a bunch of kids, bottling it by not wanting to thrash it out with the manager who carries the authority hard gained by being more decorated and successful as a manager and player than all of them put together? Another alternative was it was started by Ferguson - in which case, Ancelotti had better keep an eye on him if he is causing further unrest.

I saw the tactics shifting and the set up change over the course of that match, as I did the last game. Frankly if the players aren't capable of seeing that the manager is trying to coax them into coping with an opponent despite their inability to play, then they are either stupid or being willfully ignorant.

Things are coming to a head. Those players need a good hard look at themselves. They let themselves and us down. Ancelotti saw a loss with a team that was not his, I hope he sees this as as someone wrote earlier in this thread, " a sign of the disease, not the cure." Cut out the disease please. Let's get this club functioning in a healthy way please.

That was me. Aw shucks.

The article had Ferguson as the bad cop authorized to read the riot act and hold the inquest and then the calmer Ancelotti making his displeasure evident in a more composed manner afterwards. Presumably, line drawn, lessons learned for most of them. The one's he's earmarked, not so much.

 

[GwladysBlue]

This is the same players who battered chelsea and were unbeaten in 4. All international players we bought because they were good players all become crap at the same time and it is not down to the crap managers we have had in the last 4 years?
If Klopp had any of those players they would be playing out of their skin and not getting rinsed by 17 year olds, they are all totally demotivated and it shows.

The worse thing is, next home game, the boo boys will all turn up and compound the issue.

Please tell me you haven't just called Ancelotti a crap manager?