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2019/20 Carlo Ancelotti

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caliblue said:
Ranieri came in and won the league with a squad much worse than Everton's.

Not really relevant, but still interesting. As what Carlo have tried to do is more or less a carbon copy of what Ranieri did with Leicester. One big F you to Klopps gegenpress and a Peps tica taca. We dont care about having the ball. We care about results. And good luck to you trying to break down our old-fashioned Italian 4-4-2 tactics.

One difference is that Ranieri had success with it using a midfield two with Kante and Drinkwater. While Carlo has tried the same tactics using Drinkwater and Drinkwater.

Fantastic job by Ranieri. But teams learned how to break down his defence and the team was a joke without Kante. His second season they fighted to avoid relegation and he was fired in February. I seriously doubt that success with his tactics is possible in 2020.

I am not having a go at Carlo. I just say that he most improve and that performances have been under par. Everton have done better the last 20 matches 12 of the last 15 seasons.
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in what way was the Leicester squad worse than Everton’s? They had three genuine world class players in Kante, Mahrez, Vardy. Kante potentially being the best pressing midfielder in world football by a long way. They also had a goalkeeper far better than Pickford, plus went relatively injury free throughout the season, and could call on the likes of Ulloa Okazaki and Demarai Gray off the bench.

We have about 4 players that can be viewed as being worthy of the top half of the premier league. How in any way is our squad better than theirs?
 
caliblue said:
It is also a proven fact that Bayern Munchen and Napoli rapidly did worse the 18 months they had Ancelotti in charge. And they have improved massively since getting rid.

Ancelotti is a great manager. A great man. But he should not be beyond criticism.

Allardyce did better. With a worse squad.
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Napoli won the coppa italia, but have still finished outside of the european places in the league. No Rapid improvement there my friend. Bayern I cant speak too much on even though he still won the league and then got sacked the season after...There has been politics involved in both Napoli and PSG. Hell there was talk of Napoli trying to get CA back not long after he came here.

and to your point in bold. Worse squad? I doubt it. Fat Sam had two full backs who had more pace and alot fitter, rather than the Baines and Coleman we've had the past year or two. Sidibe was awful and Digne is the only proven quality we've had in defence. (Although Holgate has stepped his game up massively).

Allardyce line up v Southampton in May 2018.

Pickford, Coleman, Jagielka, Keane, Baines, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Davies, Vlasic, Tosun, Bolasi

HOW IS THAT WORSE than what we have now? We have no midfield. Schneiderlin looked slightly more arsed and Gana is twice as good as any of the chumps playing midfield for us now. Only quality difference is Richarlison.That team is in no way worse than what we had. And you've got Rooney who didnt play this game (i assume throguh injury). Also had Pickford who wasn't dropping clangers every game.

I have no issue with saying Allardyce did the job well for what he was expected to do from 12th to 8th. But to say he had a worse squad just doesn't ring true. This team right now has no midfield and a severe lack of quality down the right, in goal and in defence as well.
 
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caliblue said:
Ranieri came in and won the league with a squad much worse than Everton's.

Not really relevant, but still interesting. As what Carlo have tried to do is more or less a carbon copy of what Ranieri did with Leicester. One big F you to Klopps gegenpress and a Peps tica taca. We dont care about having the ball. We care about results. And good luck to you trying to break down our old-fashioned Italian 4-4-2 tactics.

One difference is that Ranieri had success with it using a midfield two with Kante and Drinkwater. While Carlo has tried the same tactics using Drinkwater and Drinkwater.

Fantastic job by Ranieri. But teams learned how to break down his defence and the team was a joke without Kante. His second season they fighted to avoid relegation and he was fired in February. I seriously doubt that success with his tactics is possible in 2020.

I am not having a go at Carlo. I just say that he most improve and that performances have been under par. Everton have done better the last 20 matches 12 of the last 15 seasons.
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What's your take on Eddie Howe? Should he have been our manager rather than Carlo?
 
andy4efc said:
What you arent taking into account is that A. Spurs, Wolves and Burnley all ahve good teams (Burnley very much a collective rather than individuals). We do not. We also had some tricky games and had nothing to play for against Wolves, Sheff Utd and Bournemouth.

Had we beat Bournemouth we'd have been 8th, so its only the last 2/3 games that saw us drop down, after our season was finished.

CA is one the best in the world, proven fact, not "could be, not has potential" He is.
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I’m all for Carlo Andy but you can’t say “if we had beat Bournemouth blah blah blah” because we didn’t. Managers careers are built on some games. Carlos certainly wasn’t against Bournemouth but ifs and buts don’t work in football because you’re judged on where you finish at the end of the season. Let’s give CA a summer to get some players in and see what he does then with formation and player selection. If he’s still putting sig centre mid then we can have a go. Same with iwobi on the right (maybe even on the left) but we need to see what he does next season first I agree. Ifs and buts though are useless. Terrible performance to end the season on
 

andy4efc said:
Napoli won the coppa italia, but have still finished outside of the european places in the league. No Rapid improvement there my friend. Bayern I cant speak too much on even though he still won the league and then got sacked the season after...There has been politics involved in both Napoli and PSG. Hell there was talk of Napoli trying to get CA back not long after he came here.

and to your point in bold. Worse squad? I doubt it.
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Allardyce defo has a worse squad. No Richie or Digne for him.....
 

mikeh72 said:
Hahahahahaha what? No. They had a 20 goal a season striker, one of the best wingers in Europe and the best defensive midfielder on the planet at the time. All the paragraphs in the world won’t make the absolute tripe you’re typing make sense.
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Vardy was a 5 goal midfielder when they hired Ranieri. 5 goals in 34 his first PL season.

Mahrez had not shown much promise. 3 goals and 4 assists.

Kante was a £4M buy from the second league in France. He started the season on the bench and got his first matches as a wide midfielder.
 
andy4efc said:
Napoli won the coppa italia, but have still finished outside of the european places in the league. No Rapid improvement there my friend. Bayern I cant speak too much on even though he still won the league and then got sacked the season after...There has been politics involved in both Napoli and PSG. Hell there was talk of Napoli trying to get CA back not long after he came here.

and to your point in bold. Worse squad? I doubt it. Fat Sam had two full backs who had more pace and alot fitter, rather than the Baines and Coleman we've had the past year or two. Sidibe was awful and Digne is the only proven quality we've had in defence. (Although Holgate has stepped his game up massively).

Allardyce line up v Southampton in May 2018.

Pickford, Coleman, Jagielka, Keane, Baines, Schneiderlin, Gueye, Davies, Vlasic, Tosun, Bolasi

HOW IS THAT WORSE than what we have now? We have no midfield. Schneiderlin looked slightly more arsed and Gana is twice as good as any of the chumps playing midfield for us now. Only quality difference is Richarlison.

That team is in no way worse than what we had. And you've got Rooney who didnt play this game (i assume throguh injury)
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So Marcel Brands has worsened our squad then in two years? I suggest you get on his thread and slam him for spending 200 mill for making us worse......
 
caliblue said:
Vardy was a 5 goal midfielder when they hired Ranieri. 5 goals in 34 his first PL season.

Mahrez had not shown much promise. 3 goals and 4 assists.

Kante was a £4M buy from the second league in France. He started the season on the bench and got his first matches as a wide midfielder.
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So? You said Leicester won the league with a worse squad than us, well they didn’t.
 
caliblue said:
Ranieri came in and won the league with a squad much worse than Everton's.

Not really relevant, but still interesting. As what Carlo have tried to do is more or less a carbon copy of what Ranieri did with Leicester. One big F you to Klopps gegenpress and a Peps tica taca. We dont care about having the ball. We care about results. And good luck to you trying to break down our old-fashioned Italian 4-4-2 tactics.

One difference is that Ranieri had success with it using a midfield two with Kante and Drinkwater. While Carlo has tried the same tactics using Drinkwater and Drinkwater.

Fantastic job by Ranieri. But teams learned how to break down his defence and the team was a joke without Kante. His second season they fighted to avoid relegation and he was fired in February. I seriously doubt that success with his tactics is possible in 2020.

I am not having a go at Carlo. I just say that he most improve and that performances have been under par. Everton have done better the last 20 matches 12 of the last 15 seasons.
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Mahrez was absolutely off his tits that season and a reason why City bought him, No one in in our squad reached his levels week in week out.
 

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