2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[MikeH72]

This is Gordon who had one europa league start before Carlo arrived, and Nkonkou who Carlo brought in himself.

can’t remember Silva getting much stick for not playing Gordon. If Ancelotti wants to not select them he can because frankly the only reason either of them are in the squad is precisely because Ancelotti took a chance on them.

Well yeah, he can, but also our results and performances have been terrible so he can also take responsibility for that one. Until I start seeing evidence that playing midfielders at full back instead of full backs is the right thing to do, I will continue to question that decision.

 

[brieverton]

He just has to be given time. He certainly isn't immune to mistakes and poor judgement, but you'd hope that spotting those mistakes and taking measures to rectify them quickly within the resources available would be one of the characteristics of what has made him so successful.

The only thing is that he is just not used to working with a squad where the overall quality is this average, so perhaps he may be only getting to grips with that now in his own mind, and what has to be done differently.

I am quite concerned though, in that there still is no discernible identity to the team, we still lack leadership and intensity, and we don't seem fit enough either. There is no absolute guarantee that things will work out here for Ancelotti. He has to have the personal hunger to succeed, if not, the lack of it transmits to the players, and then its back to putting a mediocre shift in with similarly mediocre results.

It's concerning when you look at Southampton for sure, but its still early days. It's where we finish, but if that's outside of European qualification, it would be an enormous feeling of letdown. Ancelotti has to improve us, he has to improve the players available to him at any given point, and find better players. I don't accept that we are destined to just plod along without more investment, though that's needed. Everyone has to do better.

Richarlison's form, or to be more precise, focus, is the biggest concern for me. We are missing goals and therefore points from that source already this season. To me he increasingly looks like he is playing out time here, the conviction and confidence from his play has gone, and he gives an air of a player not expecting what he is trying, to work. We need him fit and focused so Ancelotti has to get on top of that very soon.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Well yeah, he can, but also our results and performances have been terrible so he can also take responsibility for that one. Until I start seeing evidence that playing midfielders at full back instead of full backs is the right thing to do, I will continue to question that decision.

There’s zero doubt in my mind that Iwobi is better than Kenny at right back. One can actually run at something approaching the required speed of a premier league footballer. Kenny is a championship standard footballer which despite what Ancelotti says about him in public is probably why he doesn’t play him. He’s only used midfielders there when he’s played a wingback formation. Loads of managers have done that, Conte did it with Victor Moses so did Rodgers at Liverpool. It’s not that crazy to do for one or two games.

 

[Gilbert..]

All yous wanting the Alpine Klopp etc fall in line with this feller....

Everton 'too easy to play against' and Ancelotti 'not right fit', talkSPORT told

Danny Murphy believes Carlo Ancelotti’s Everton side are too easy to play against and insisted their current Premier League position is where they should be. The Toffees had a blistering start to t…

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Predictable.

Teams doing well.
Look at ancelloti at chelsea. He let them manage themselves and express themselves

Teams not doing so well.
Look at ancelloti at chelsea. He didnt manage them. They were managing themselves.

Rent a quote Murphy. Im glad he said we are letting in to many. I hadnt realised until he pointed it out.

 

[Death]

Imagine wanting Carlo sacked. The same people should not be allowed say a peep if we got relegated but you just know they would be the ones moaning the most.

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Arsed what Danny Murphy's opinions are, can't stand the little bore

 

[ToffeeTim]

Well yeah, he can, but also our results and performances have been terrible so he can also take responsibility for that one. Until I start seeing evidence that playing midfielders at full back instead of full backs is the right thing to do, I will continue to question that decision.

I think the problem is that we have saw Kenny, Davies and Iwobi play at right back/wing back, and you wouldn't have been able to tell Kenny was the player playing in his natural position. There was minimal difference between any of them.

Our full back options are appalling and that is not acceptable after blowing hundreds of millions of pounds.

 

[BornBlue76]

A total rewrite of history? Hell are you talking about. He's been here 12 months and the whole argument is based on two players. Gordon and nkoukou. Going on like he has limitless stream of young players he's ignoring.

Rewrite of 12 months then... either way giving him any credit for playing Holgate and DCL is ridiculous. Giving him credit for DCLs improvement is fine.. but going on that he needs credit for even starting them is wrong

 

[Gilbert..]

Rewrite of 12 months then... either way giving him any credit for playing Holgate and DCL is ridiculous. Giving him credit for DCLs improvement is fine.. but going on that he needs credit for even starting them is wrong

Bit OTT with the history bit mate.
The topic of him though and younger players has cropped up a fair bit. Its just two players. One never started a league game before he arrived. And gordon. Id like to see him but gotta go with what ancelloti see's(or doesnt) day to day.

 

[Lanolin]

Carlo didn’t have to play Holgate or DCL when he arrived. Their spots in the first team were very much still in doubt. Holgate was a few months on from returning from a loan spell and falling behind Marcos Rojo in the pecking order, DCL didn’t have many goals in half a season of football and there was clamour for Richarlison to replace him down the middle. Ancelotti made it Holgate plus one at the back before he got injured and turned Calvert Lewin into one of Europe’s top number 9s. He could have easily swept in and said that neither were good enough and not many fans would have argued with him at the time.

The problem is we accept young player as first team players very quickly and keep wanting to find the next young player to break through. Rather than Ancelotti getting credit for Holgate and Calvert Lewin there’s a demand for him to be playing Gordon even more than he has done or to give Simms a game.

Not many kids make it. ‘Play the young players’, Guardiola has only played Foden and he’s the best one they’ve got and even now he barely starts. Not many kids in the Chelsea team or Spurs team either.

How on earth are you including Holgate in this?! He's 24! It's absolutely mental how people think our players don't age. If you were 18 once you just stay that age forever in the minds of some fans.

 

[MikeH72]

There’s zero doubt in my mind that Iwobi is better than Kenny at right back. One can actually run at something approaching the required speed of a premier league footballer. Kenny is a championship standard footballer which despite what Ancelotti says about him in public is probably why he doesn’t play him. He’s only used midfielders there when he’s played a wingback formation. Loads of managers have done that, Conte did it with Victor Moses so did Rodgers at Liverpool. It’s not that crazy to do for one or two games.

I’m more referring to Delph at wing back, which is just absolutely nonsensical because he can barely run anymore. First time he tried to cross the half way line his hamstring popped. And where was the replacement to come on for him? We didn’t have one, because the manager decided we didn’t need him on the bench. There’s two poor decisions rolled into one.

 

[degsy]

Quite how people are judging him before he's even had a year here is beyond me.

January 1st people can start having a moan but for me a manager of his calibre gets a complete free pass for his first year.

CV gets you the job, performance keeps it for you

 

[Simon Buttle]

Bit OTT with the history bit mate.
The topic of him though and younger players has cropped up a fair bit. Its just two players. One never started a league game before he arrived. And gordon. Id like to see him but gotta go with what ancelloti see's(or doesnt) day to day.

It's cropped up because of the quote that emerged of Carlo saying he is not here to develop young players. If that is true then it kind of makes Brands position a bit pointless as his remit was to focus on younger players when he came in and it probably explains the contract delay. I don't really want the team to be full of ex Carlo players who are all 29+ and looking for a final payday because they can't get a game anywhere else, we are a club that needs to play our young players and we won't know if they are good enough if they don't get any game time.

 

[radiostar]

CV gets you the job, performance keeps it for you

Completely agree but he gets that year free pass at least to build a base on which to build this club up. For me anyway.

Once that year up you woukd expect to start seeing progress regularly.

 

[Gilbert..]

CV gets you the job, performance keeps it for you

Not that black and white. Have many Everton fans buried their heads in the sand at how poor and unbalanced this squad was. Did they they think ancelloti had a magic wand.
If in another years time the squad hasnt got 3 maybe 4 better players and the shoots of improvement has stalled then maybe the job was to big for him.
We then start looking once again for a new manager.
In all my years watching Everton this job right now is more of a poisen chalice than ever before because the expensive recruitment of the past few years has been terrible and someone has to come in and clean that up.